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The Great Reset

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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    LOL


    yeah, lets all get our informed opinions from THIS GUY

    https://www.linkedin.com/in/johnnyvedmore/?originalSubdomain=uk

    i mean, he is skilled in "hotel management" and "song writing" after all

    🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


    jeez gortanna, you make it so easy to ridicule you... do you ever research beyond the headline??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    C'mon he must know his stuff about virology from the time he spent working in Virgin Megastore?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Do you think a musician can't be a freelance journalist? Arts and journalism are complementary.

    Interesting article. I do think being an illegal arms dealer is a black mark against a person's character but no doubt it'll be hand-waved away.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    You just believe that immedietely because its in an article?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    Right so if I do a quick online journalism course, label myself a journalist, write some conspiracy BS, that makes it any more true?

    What if I am a known journalist, like Gemma O'Doherty, and then I go off the rails and start making zany conspiracy claims, does that automatically qualify what I am claiming?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    The sources are linked to in the article, including the report by Peter Hug and the analysis of it by Georg Kreis (University of Basel).



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    Read it with an open mind. I read articles by journalists and non-journalists I disagree with.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Right so if I write a story about Bill Gates wanting to implant everyone with microchips, does the fact that I have given a history of his early life and business from reputable historians biographers validate my claims about him wanting to implant everyone with microchips?



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    What's conspiracy BS about the article? It's full of facts and sources. Did you even bother reading it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Documented info about Klaus Scwhab's involvement in the arms industry has nothing to do with conspiracy theories. It speaks to his character which is the only relevance.

    No it doesn't prove that he (or Bill Gates) must be involved in a plot.

    It does give an indication of someone's trustworthiness if they are mixed up in such stuff imo. I would also look askance at tobacco manufacturers, sweat shop manufacturers etc.

    That Declan Ganley had an interest in the arms industry was widely reported and definitely affected the public perception of him.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Nope.

    I was one of the people who was saying that claiming the virus was created in a lab specifically for the purpose of causing a pandemic for sinister reasons was a conspiracy theory.

    Why?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Reminder, you still haven't actually read Schwab's book.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,863 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    ive read it, still reads as nothing more than tenuous lazy machinations of a hotel night porter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I began to read it and got as far as the start of the second paragraph where it tried to intimate that there were nefarious reasons for Schwab being in New York on September the 11th...

    It's going to be a 'hot take' article, yeah?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's not "documented info", it's cherry-picked info full of tenuous links and inferences. For example, any German person will have relatives who lived during Nazi control and either worked directly or indirectly for them.

    Any idiot (or musician in this case) can write a blog full of carefully chosen and very selective facts to smear anyone with guilt by association. They've done the same with Bill Gates countless times.

    It's bad character assassination by people with an obvious agenda for people with no critical thinking skills.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Personally I'm only interested in the accusation that Sulzer AG sold weapons to South Africa illegally, since what someone's father or grandfather did in the War tells us nothing about them. I agree with you there, though it's interesting historical info all the same.

    Do you consider Vedmore's inference (from the Hug report and Georg Krieg's analysis) that Sulzer AG manufactured weapons during Schwab's tenure a fabrication or misrepresentation?

    In the end, Schwab is a Swiss-German industrialist - not your personal friend. I can't see that you would have any interest in defending him as such.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    But that's not what this discussion is about..

    It's about people claiming this person, who has no legislative power in any way, is going to somehow implement or usher in a nightmareish 1984 style dystopia, that we won't "own things" anymore, part of some incredibly vague global plot.

    Have you read any of Klaus Schwabs books? You have extrapolated the same nefarious plan?

    Or do you have a watered down version of that?

    Or he's just an aged economist who is theory-crafting about a better future, like anyone does?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I have read his book The Great Reset. I disapprove of his sterile, micro-managed technocratic vision for the economy, industry, leisure etc., and disagree with his positive attitude towards transhumanism.

    Knowing that someone was an arms dealer is going to influence your opinion of them. It is relevant.

    If it isn't damning then why not just say 'Yeah he sold arms to the South Africans. So what?'?

    I am 'open' to the conspiracy view of Schwab yes but accept it is only a theory without any proof.

    In any case he looks like a shady character in terms of his business past, and someone I would be totally opposed to politically under any circumstances.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Okay thanks for the response, and what about the whole conspiracy angle?

    And please be specific. Is there some big conspiracy involving Klaus Schwab, if so, what is it?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What I don't understand is why there is such hostility to any criticism of Klaus Schwab on here. It's his ideas that are being criticised and questioned. He talks about microchips being implanted in people's brains, he talks about transhumanism, he talks about robots replacing humans, he talks about people in terms of 'human capital', he talks about smart everything and digital everything. Is this the kind of society that would appeal to people: South Korea cuts human interaction in push to build ‘untact’ society | South Korea | The Guardian


    That's the kind of society I see being brought about by the Fourth Industrial revolution Schwab talks about.


    No proof, but I would argue that there's evidence. Unfortunately with the usual suspects (one of whom will be along in a few minutes, no doubt) ruining every thread it's hard to discuss things.


    By the way, I'd be interested to read your book. I always find your posts to be very informative and well-written.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's not criticism of Klaus Schwab. It's the implication he's part of a giant conspiracy plot/movement that no one can detail.

    I don't like Donald Trump, I am critical of Donald Trump, but if I am hinting he is part of some big conspiracy I can't detail then that's nonsense. If someone points out that it's nonsense, I can't defend it by saying "why is there such hostility to my criticism of Donald Trump".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,646 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    There used to be a TV programme on the BBC in the 80s called Tomorrow's World. They predicted all sorts of fanciful stuff. Some of which, like the internet and smart phones, have come to pass. Some remain fanciful. Things inevitably change though. Progress.

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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    And all he is doing is suggesting things that could be done differently as talking points for how the world might look in the future, and if doing things differently may be better for us all.


    What you are suggesting is that he is in control of all world governments and that these changes have already been decided on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Looking through a glass darkly I believe he and others may be acting from bad motives to create what looks to be some kind of surveillance-oriented/ heavily managed state.

    Which like others I discern from WEF's public statements, i.e. think-pieces with catchy quotes like "You will own nothing and be happy" which have supposedly been taken up wrong. This would not be historically unique, see e.g. Communist societies.

    Since, as I said, I'm religious I don't consider purposefully evil action either inexplicable or unlikely or dependent on purely material causal relationships. I also consider an irrational desire to wield power an explicable motive for bad action.

    In lieu of evidence or proof of any wrong-doing I'm happy to take a general stance of mistrust, scepticism and antipathy towards K Schwab and his proposals which seem bad and wrong to me even without the conspiracy angle.

    If you want to trust him and other powerful elites until or unless someone has presented incontrovertible material proof that they're evil that is of course your choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And that these changes include stopping people from owning things, installing a global communist government, implanting people with chips and making them cyborgs.

    All of which will happen in the next 8 years.

    And all of which was predicted supernaturally by the bible.


    And none of which he can point to in the book that he's still not actually read.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,942 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Thanks for your kind words.

    As I see it theres no longer broad agreement about what is good and bad.

    Many people may prefer transhumanism and South Korea-style social isolation to the alternatives, at least at first.

    So its as much a matter of convincing people that a nightmare world of virtuality and separateness and integrating their physical body with technology is something they should reject as bad and wrong as anything else.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's not all he's doing. He's excited about microchips being implanted in people's brains, he's excited about smart everything and digital everything. He's loudly proclaiming that the world cannot go back to normal.


    That article in The Guardian about South Korea, do you like the kind of society that's being created there? That's the society I believe will emerge from the 4th Industrial Revolution.


    And 24/7, do you ever take a break from boards?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But would not say that now more than ever the technology is there to make everything digital and smart?



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    I agree. I don't even think it's a conspiracy theory. They're just bad proposals that reduce our freedom even more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Why are you asking me that when you're claiming to have me on ignore?

    Why do you keep using the cute little nickname you've given me instead of my actual screen name?

    Why do you keep posting things you know aren't true day in and day out?

    Why have you not actually read the book yet?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Which are never going to happen.

    Do you really think someone is going to repossess your house in the next 8 years?

    Some people are looking for things to be afraid of.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Okay so no conspiracy.

    "If you want to trust him.."

    I don't need to trust him. Also I've read tracts of the book, read various speeches, followed the presentations and talks at the economic forum to know enough to form my own opinion. If people with simplistic black/white world views want to portray him as "evil", they can, they same way they do with Bill Gates, etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 426 ✭✭grumpyperson


    Why?

    Because you sowed an inordinate amount of misinformation about covid19.

    For example, here you proclaim that scientific consensus supported a view that covid19 was of natural origin.

    As it transpired, no such consensus existed but rather the leader of eco health alliance orchestrated a letter to the Lancet. A lot of troubling information has since emerged, e.g.

    https://www.science.org/content/article/we-ve-done-nothing-wrong-ecohealth-leader-fights-charges-his-research-helped-spark-covid-19

    And yet you were spreading your consensus misinformation and attempting to stifle conversation.

    Your anger here, suggests, from your previous misinformation campaign, that there might be some truth in the great reset.

    Post edited by grumpyperson on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But I didn't claim what you're accusing me of. You could back up your accusation with something that shows that I said what you claimed. But I think we both know that you aren't going to do that.

    I'm not proposing any conspiracy theories here.

    The conspiracy theorists on this thread are spreading reams of misinformation constantly. Why do you not take issue with them?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,688 ✭✭✭storker


    Maybe the conspiracy theorists should try hanging their fruit a little higher, but they never do. Instead they repeat the same old half baked poorly-argued evidence and then proclaim it the gospel truth and confidently declare that anyone who doubts it is brainwashed or part of the cover-up.

    Speculating is fine, but I have never, ever seen a conspiracy theorist declare their claims to be just speculation, an exercise in "just-spitballing" or some form of thought-experiment. Quite the contrary.

    As for "writing a thesis outlining all the motives methods and details", if they're so sure they're right then yes they should be able to to do so. How on earth can someone be sure about something going on if they don't know who is doing it, how they're doing it or why they're doing it? My own suspicion is that such evasiveness is part of a long game: something will come out eventually about what's been going on, and the more vague one is about the details of it, the easier it will be to claim to have been right about it all along. But I'm just speculating (see how it works?😉).

    "Some people will get sucked in to any old nonsense"

    Quite. Then they post about it here with the certainty of evangelists.

    The problem with linking to YouTube is that the videos tend to be quite long and I've watched enough of them to have no confidence that they will back up the poster's claim (because I've never seen one that did) to the point that I seriously doubted that the poster had even watched it. Or else had deliberately misrepresented it in the hope that nobody would actually watch it and suss out the trick.

    If conspiracy theorists want higher-quality discussion, they should start with higher-quality claims, and display a higher quality of critical thinking.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    My own suspicion is that such evasiveness is part of a long game: something will come out eventually about what's been going on, and the more vague one is about the details of it, the easier it will be to claim to have been right about it all along. But I'm just speculating (see how it works?😉).

    I think that this is something that the producers of conspiracy theories are doing and that the theorists here are just parroting those who have a financial motive in doing this.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But I don't even think it's a conspiracy theory. I think technology is becoming too powerful and will lead to the rise of an 'untact' society, such as the one that exists in South Korea: South Korea cuts human interaction in push to build ‘untact’ society | South Korea | The Guardian


    Don't forget that the World Economic Forum said that lockdowns were improving cities: The World Economic Forum: ‘lockdowns are improving cities around the world’ | The Spectator Australia


    The Great Reset is basically an 'untact' society. WEF believe lockdowns improve cities. Lockdowns mean fewer interactions between people. Life is becoming almost wholly digital and digitalised.


    There's nothing CT about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But again, you are claiming the Klaus Schwab secretly controls every government in the world and is bending them to his will and plans to make everyone into Borg drones by using microchips in vaccines. And you believe that all of this was predicted in the bible and in a children's song.

    Plenty of CT in that.


    Also in your general ignorance, evasiveness, dishonesty and fanatical willingness to believe in obvious grifters. These are also hallmarks of conspiracy theorists.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 461 ✭✭HerrKapitan


    These conspiracies, aka spoilers are really speeding up recently. Now who told us about this before the media?? Hmm..



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So something that people have been doing for several years is being optionally re-purposed by users to make things in their daily lives more convenient. No obligation for anyone to do this and it isn't even a recognised way to provide your covid cert. They still have to scan the chip with their own phone and then show the QR code as they normally would.


    Nobody is tracking anyone with this technology anymore than they can track you with your contactless bank card when it's in your pocket.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Why is the Great Reset in conspiracy theories? It’s not a theory. It’s a strategy employed by the WEF and Western Democracies around the world. ‘Build back better’ has been used worldwide from Biden, Trudeau to Johnson in the U.K.

    We don’t know the behind the scenes agreements between governments and the WEF, but to quote a famous line:

    “Something is rotten in the state of Denmark”, and it seems peoples ability to oppose is being diminished by ever increasing infringements on rights.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,343 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Because it's being claiming that the Great Reset is some vague, nebulous plot to install a global communist government at the behest of one dude. And that it was all predicted in the bible and in a children's song.

    Why wouldn't this topic be in conspiracy theories?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Eh, if it’s a strategy being deployed as we type, then it should be easy to provide evidence to prove they it’s not a conspiracy theory, and have the topic moved to a different forum. However, after so many posts, ye lot have failed to do so and that’s why it’s still here in the conspiracy theory forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    But I’ve just been reading about it on the World Economic forum. Also the build back better agenda - Biden is tweeting about this almost daily.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Sure, we want to build back better, build a better world, be more sustainable, etc, etc.

    You think that's a bad thing? If yes, why?

    Do you think this is a "cover" for something nefarious? If yes, what is the nefarious thing?

    It's on the conspiracy forum because the original poster think's there's some conspiracy going on, it's right there in the first post:

    "The conspiracy, according to what I've read, is that COVID-19 is being used a cover for ushering in a techno tyranny and sustainability on steroids. I have heard people argue that countries are deliberately destroying their economies so that they can be rebuilt according to the vision WEF has for the world."



  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    But I’ve just been reading about it on the World Economic forum. Also the build back better agenda - Biden is tweeting about this almost daily.

    And what's wrong with the slogan 'build back better'?

    Have you seen any of the other slogans from WEF from the last 10 years? Look them up, they're very similar!!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,186 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    “WE”

    I don’t think “we” (the plebs) have much of a say in the matter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    So do you think the world is perfect already and we don't need to improve anything?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,205 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    We live in a representative democracy.

    If people that represent us want more sustainability, a better future, etc, I support that. It's pretty standard stuff. Is there "something else" going on according to you?



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