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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,564 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Goodnight. Hope that lockdown you've been living in your whole life doesn't have any ill effects.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭Quags



    While Lockdown certainly meant different to others since 2020 lets not get away from the fact that also lockdown is not being able to live a normal life, we are being treated like we do not know how to live or act. I have seen your replies so its not about 2km or 5km or entry to pubs etc but if people who are not unvaccinated can not live a normal life unless they get a vaccine for a virus that most healthy young people wont die from.

    Mental Torture is also a form of Lockdown for people, MSM are running ads about people not going to the party cause they had sniffles etc thats a major form of lockdown cause people will think they are a danger to society if they go outside and interact with others if they have a runny nose.

    For you this may not feel like a lockdown cause "you can do you want" as long as you keep your vaccine schedule up to date but for others this is a lockdown



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    If you think the service is crap now. Just wait until the students and working age start voting with their feet and leave the Country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,564 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    How about you decide for yourself whether to go or not? Do you fall into a vulnerable category? Will you be meeting vulnerable people afterwards? Will you be comfortable in a socially distanced indoor setting?

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭Quags


    If your worried then don't go to it. People are going to do what they want so be it "carol singing" or "christmas markets" so this thing is never leaving us so you either try get on with your life or don't its now about personal responsibility



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Of course we all make our own decisions based on that sort of criteria


    I am still surprised that carol services are going ahead in the present uncertain situation.


    It seems to me that for some people Christmas is almost like a religion :-)



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'd love to live in a Red state in the US. Problem is it's very hard to get into the US. Even before covid that was the case.


    But I don't see the obsession with cases ending. How do you see the cases thing ending? We know that nphet find a handful of cases concerning. We know that from last summer. So then it seems it has to be 0 cases. Is that possible?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,564 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I just think that placing the term lockdown on something that patently isn't, doesn't do anyone's mental health any good. It's like a self-fulfilling prophesy. If you think you're locked down, you're invariably going to feel much more negatively about life in general. Here, it's up to yourself. You do you.

    ...but if some of the people who reckon a few restrictions mean a lockdown and decide that, come January, we're in lockdown and post, "Ha! Penfailed, I told you we'd be locked down!" just to gain internet points, they'll get short shrift from me.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair


    Unfortunately lots of people share this view, I don't know why they care if someone else's kids is vaccinated or not, what are they worried about ?

    Their vaccinated kids getting sick ???

    truly bizarre...



  • Registered Users Posts: 224 ✭✭PicardWithHair




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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,610 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Sure, but unless you're being hypocritical:

    Do you agree with the mask mandates and restrictions that they have been putting in place to save lives now?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,987 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    He's making a choice not to be vaccinated though, so is he really being excluded



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,002 ✭✭✭Quags


    Ah listen this thread is going to cause arguments and disagreements, but people are just pissed off now. The Vaccine brought hope to loads who thought/told it was the way back to 2019 lifestyle but now even the vaccinated have being hit with restrictions which in turn causes those to question why they got it if they are still under a tight regime. IF more restrictions are brought in then serious questions need to be asked about NPHET modelling due to hospital numbers falling, nowhere near the predicted cases and deaths they said would happen.

    I firmly believe if the Gov/NPHET said that we will lock down for the month of Jan and reopening everything fully in Feb with no more lockdowns and we aim for a mainly herd immunity (if possible) then people could think ok we have a plan but we wont and we will be 2 years down the line and we be getting told all sorts again from the Gov about the danger this is causing to a country who really should have top hospital facilities



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,987 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    He has a choice, if he chooses that he wants to go to the cinema he should choose to get jabbed. He's not being punished



  • Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos



    Lets hope the 17 year old non vaccinated teenager doesnt ask out another vaccinated teenager for a shift down the back of the church!!!! OH HOLY GOD there would be nationwide OUTCRY! he would be outcast from the village and his parents hung in the square in shame hahah - shameful carry on..

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,498 ✭✭✭amandstu


    I sure hope that Omicron will be mild enough to be considered as a disease similar to flu that allows us to resume life more or less as before.


    But I defer to medical experts and political consensus(and a moving landscape)

    Off topic:

    Are all taking our eyes off the main game in town which is climate change which will likely put our Covid concerns into the halfpenny place in short order?

    Edit:what attracts you to Red states in the US?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,629 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Yep and someone riinging ya up to tell you what you missed out on just to rub it in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,987 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's not patronising, that's just somebody being a complete dick.

    Plus if one of my friends or work colleagues (to use the examples in the ads) had the virus the rest of us wouldn't even be going out as we would most likely all be deemed close contacts... What an idiotic advert



  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    He absolutely is being punished.

    If the government mandates that you can't leave your house without a vaccine would you call that a choice too?

    Because it certainly isn't businesses idea to have brought these passes in. It is government restrictions on society which dictates who can and cannot socialise.

    Choice is being able to reject or take something without any consequences.

    Do you think everyone who doesn't get the flu jab should be banned from indoor venues? Because thats a choice too right?


    I take it you are in favour of adding all vaccines for all contagious diseases in future? Sure why not?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,968 ✭✭✭Big Ears


    Ironic that with more people there's less restrictions, as clearly more people in that scenario means an increased risk of someone actually transmitting Covid.

    I'd understand it with U18's more so if it was going to have a massive difference on the level of transmission (I understand vaccines do reduce transmission somewhat).

    But you're talking about a population who are very unlikely to become seriously ill themselves from it, so there really should be more of a choice in that age category, no real need to coerce them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    Even old Bill Gates is saying they are only slightly doing something to transmission.


    Given that the difference is slight it is incredible that people think passes do much for transmission.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,102 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Its right up there with the ridiculous notion that €9 chicken wings worked last year, the world is bonkers atm.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    lol, a little off topic. just wondering why you said middle aged white men? Seems odd to mention their ethnicity, age and sex as if it was important.



  • Registered Users Posts: 38,267 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Slim chance the government are going to go against NPHETs advice



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,432 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its frightening that people think like this. As you type those words can you not see how frightening that is for society?

    Your words completely rely on the inherent assumption that the options and the "choice" is agreed by all to be fair and good.

    "You have a "choice". If you want to be normal, you just have to do this thing that you don't agree with."

    Thats not a choice, thats a threat.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,102 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Or maybe Leo the Leak is saying it so that if they do go against nphet it'll look like his idea :)



  • Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    Bill says we need to re do the vaccines, how about they focus on treatment this time ?

    Why is this also a no no in discussion ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,770 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    You want to close schools early where kids play with friends and believe if a kid doesn't take a vaccine they don't need then tough look about social activities.

    You certainly have no kids or care about kids in general and I would be banned it I said what I would like to say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,197 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Good piece here. When we get over the obsession with cases and turn off the news, that's when the pandemic is over. It already could be if enough people wanted it.

    Some historians have observed that pandemics do not conclude when disease transmission ends “but rather when, in the attention of the general public and in the judgment of certain media and political elites who shape that attention, the disease ceases to be newsworthy.”8 Pandemic dashboards provide endless fuel, ensuring the constant newsworthiness of the covid-19 pandemic, even when the threat is low. In doing so, they might prolong the pandemic by curtailing a sense of closure or a return to pre-pandemic life.

    Deactivating or disconnecting ourselves from the dashboards may be the single most powerful action towards ending the pandemic. This is not burying one’s head in the sand. Rather, it is recognising that no single or joint set of dashboard metrics can tell us when the pandemic is over.





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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I actually just heard that ridiculous RSVP ad on the radio there again and caught the website this time - https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/84a4f-risk-symptoms-venue-people/

    The undertone of fearmongering under this supposedly sensible official advice is frankly disgusting. Basically trying to make people afraid of doing perfectly normal activities with friends and family.

    There has been a definite ramp-up on these ads in the last week or so - probably explains why the media are pushing the agenda so heavily again (as we saw in the reports on the profits made from these ads by TV/radio stations).



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