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Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭Dowee


    They don't deliver by boat or plane either because there isn't appropriate infrastructure for them. Same applies to the large trucks, if only there was such a thing as smaller delivery trucks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    They can just stop in the main traffic lane for their deliveries. Vehicular traffic can just go round, and they just need to take care when crossing the bike lane with their trolley.

    Or they can use a large van or small truck that can fit through the archway to their loading dock at the rear.

    Either way, it is Supervalu's problem to solve.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,834 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    and that again plays back into the notion that it's OK to inconvenience cyclists by blocking their lane, but a truck parking in the 'car' lane instead to unload, would very possibly draw garda attention.



  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    Groundhog Day



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,213 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Wasn't it yourself that posted details of the I Bike Dublin bike lane protection events at that location? It's been an issue for ever.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭lamaq


    One thing I don't get is that just a few years ago the council were reducing the hours of bike lanes (eg Sandford Rd went from 24 hour to certain times). Now we have the wands but in a lot of cases the hours are still not 24x7.

    Is there a reason for this?


    Edit: appreciate that outside Supervalu is 24x7, but most other locations do not have updated signage.




  • Registered Users Posts: 100 ✭✭Trudee


    No idea what you are asserting when you say I post ‘unsubstantied’ (sic) nonsense and ‘make claims based on what are feelings and no more really’ but neither am I going to spend too much energy or time giving above any credence or thought.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    I got the distinct impression that after the wands went in members of staff there, probably on their own initiative, took to social media to defend the destruction of the wands. Some passionate defence, followed by deletion of tweets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    On a road with no footpath yes you need to face oncoming traffic. Not in a public park.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob



    In fairness you can't beat the thrill and exhilaration of being forced out of the cycle path in front of a following car and wondering about what sort of person the driver of the 2 tonnes of metal behind you is.

    Are they a mentally stable person who will treat you sympathetically?

    Or an angry frazzled NewsTalk listener who thinks you're not paying your way on the road and is going to start blasting their horn at you?

    Or a borderline psychopath who will speed up and drive on on top of your back wheel to teach you a lesson for being in the way ?


    Everyday is different!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭buffalo




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,786 ✭✭✭✭tomasrojo


    Have to say, the rule about facing oncoming traffic when walking is sometimes inappropriate. When you're approaching a blind bend that veers away to the right, you're better off to switch to the other side until you're round the corner. In my experience anyway.



  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    Whoever has been redesigning this junction over and over again for the last three years is clearly just not qualified for the job. Like, what the hell is that? Coming from the right and turning right towards Pearse Street looks like a nightmare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,517 ✭✭✭Glencarraig


    Because then you would have people walking in both directions on both sides of the path which is currently happening. Throw in a few dog walkers with head down on their phone and a couple of kamikaze kids on scooters and bikes whose parents cant be arsed to supervise them and you have mayhem. Why do you think that in some parks the enlightened council have painted "keep left" on the paths or even better Wicklow County Council painted on Bray promenade "Ah come on, keep left", brilliant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Because some 'enlightened' councils have a windshield view and think that the left is the correct side to be, even when you're not in the car.

    It's irresponsible, because the same people then continue to do the same on the roads, where you should walk on the right (with exceptions, as tomasrojo points out). The rule of thumb for the entire country of Ireland is to walk on the right, cycle and drive on the left. Why some councils feel the need to create pockets of exceptions for this is beyond me, unless someone thought "well I drive on the left on the road, so everyone should walk on the left on the path".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    I think ye maybe reading too much into what are essentially covid issues to try and have physical distancing. I certainly don't recall any markings on Bray Seafront pre-covid (except for no bikes).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 757 ✭✭✭p15574


    But what have the elderly got to do with delivery drivers blocking and damaging a cycle lane? Why mention them at all?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    I live in Ranelagh, I think there is space in the loading bay across from SuperValu to fit the existing size delivery truck they use - have a look at Google Streeview and you'll see a similar size truck illegally parked in the Bus Stop further down the road.

    One of the Taxi Ranks at the Triangle should be repurposed into a Loading Bay for the village (if not both) but no matter what is done, delivery drivers will still park illegally including inside wands and cycle tracks because there are no implications for doing so, AGS do not give a fiddlers, SuperValu and other businesses don't care either - I'd urge anyone who cycles not to buy in Joy's Flowers as they consistently park on the footpath there even though there's a loading bay directly across from them that is often empty.

    I've stopped shopping in SuperValu in Ranelagh because of this, I shop in Lidl instead, how come Lidl delivery drivers don't park like muppets? Never seen it happen once since Lidl opened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,272 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Lidl takes in its deliveries from its goods entrance to the side, off the Main Road on Westmoreland Park. Its not a reasonable comparison.

    And the fact you would stop supporting a local Irish franchise just because trucks can't access a particularly tight and awkward urban carpark, is just churlish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,272 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    A truck blocking the cycle lane for a while is a hazard.

    A delivery driver pushing pallets and bogeys full of produce across a busy main road for a while is a hazard.

    Thats just life in an urban village, shaped 300 years ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,272 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Sure, if you like. But what has that got to do with this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey


    And a truck blocking one directional general traffic lane for a while is a __________.

    a) Crime against the hard pressed motorist Joe.

    b) Further chipping away at Dublins unique character

    c) Loony Leftie Green idea endangering EVERYONE

    d) Part of life in an urban village



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭9320


    Why can't SuperValu use Westmoreland Park then? It's an additional 50 metres from the shop, I know Ranelagh Avenue is usually too full but it's potentially another option.

    You say "churlish" I say it's an appropriate solution when they don't listen to complaints. Also the mini-Irelander approach is nonsense, Lidl support Irish jobs and Irish businesses too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,466 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Musgraves are a multiple, same as any other, and one of the biggest when you include the centra's too. I've zero issue supporting Lidl, who are renowned fair employer over supervalu (where the franchise owners can be hit and miss from what I hear anecdotally). Lidl in Ranelagh have solved the issue of deliveries for them. Supervalu ranelagh have done nothing that anyone can find to solve the issue of deliveries (assuming using smaller trucks and/ or wheeling a cage across a road is actually an issue in all but a car centric mindset).



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 49,834 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,272 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Short-term set-down and delivery areas should be considered as part of any major road space reallocation system, as well as hybrid car-parking bays that double as additional loading bays before 10/11am, for example,

    The above quote from the TUD study on Blackrock is quite telling.

    While I would give credit to DLR for going the extra mile to find a balance in the schemes they have introduced, its clear that the DCC attitude to genuine and frequent conflict issues, such as this, is the 'it'll be grand' defence. That's just not good enough for any category of road user, or for customer facing businesses in the DCC area who are already in a very serious existensial crisis. Does it occur to no person in DCC that these businesses are their own primary funders, through commercial rates?



  • Registered Users Posts: 600 ✭✭✭ARX


    How about turning the space outside the Emerald Court and Sound Hire (where buses currently pull into the bus stop) into a loading bay, and moving the bus stop a few metres further towards the Luas station and building the footpath out to the road at that point, so buses stop in the road rather than pulling in? There's a big chunk of space between the Emerald Court and the disabled parking space at the Luas station that looks like it could be used as a loading bay (from Street View it's clear that the Pulp shredding company has already anticipated this).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,087 ✭✭✭buffalo


    Remember, you can park on double-yellows to unload for up to 20mins IIRC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,393 ✭✭✭Grassey



    Well there is something new to me - I thought the exeption only covered breakdowns, roadworks, emergency etc



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭hesker


    That exception applies only to section 38 though by my reading. It doesn’t over-ride section 36 ( double yellow lines).



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