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What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The problem with your logic is that while Ireland has a predominately white population, we've had a diverse population for well over a century. There's been a sizable population of people with European origins for a long time before diversity and multiculturalism was pushed. Alas, for you, the vast majority were white.

    As for a healthy society because of an homogeneous population, it doesn't work like that anywhere in the world, but then, it doesn't work that way for supposedly diverse societies either. In the end, it boils down to whether a country is predominately of one particular race, or majority cultural/ethnic group.. which is the case in the vast majority of countries around the world... it's just that for Ireland or the West, in general, that's supposedly a bad thing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 464 ✭✭The Quintessence Model


    Complete nonsense. The happiest countries in the World tend to be Scandinavian countries plus Finland and Iceland. They are all homogenous societies historically and still mostly are to this day. The US, the poster child of a multi-culturalism society, has never cracked the top 10. It's also far more dangerous then near all European countries which are broadly speaking still mono-cultural



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Didn’t really work out in the Balkans either



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    You present an argument with no logic at all, and not at all countering my observation.

    I said that countries that are lacking in diversity are generally unhealthy in respect of what sort of mediocre shite people are supposed to tolerate in ethics and behaviour. Ireland had a shift on when it joined the EEC. That was the biggest intercultural political project ever, in that it brought people together into a single marketplace. That only went so far of course. That was an outside effect, that brought people in, and in turn the people who came in helped shift the rock further up the hill.

    However, new cultures and new races of people arriving here helped us get forwards. Think of where abortion rights would be without the sacrifice of the life of Savita Halapanaver for example.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    You mean the place that had hundreds of years of peace until the US and Israel started to wind everybody up?



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    You are a deeply insecure individual.

    What is it that threatens you about someone having different thoughts to you? Do you have to sort the forks in the drawer before you can leave the house?



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Japan is one of the safest countries in the world, and when their economy was booming, one of the highest standards of living too. Standards of living remain pretty constant across the whole country, and they've few problems with poverty. With Japan being probably the least diverse but accessible culture in the world....

    Compare that with the US which is extremely diverse, and you have one of the worst range of crime in the world. Social inequality is rampant, along with discrimination between all ethnic groups (Black people discriminate against Asians, White people towards Black, etc). Politically they're corrupt as hell, with voter fraud, manipulation of zoning for voters, and their elected leaders leave office with massive jumps in net worth...

    Where are these examples of Utopian success that you want to hold up for countries to aspire to? These diverse nations that have succeeded so well?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That's awfully convenient. So you point to the various tribal groups in Nigeria as an example of being diverse, but ignore similar affiliations within western nations (since they'd exist under cultural lines, as opposed to ethnic)>? The 26 counties in the Republic could be interpreted along the same lines as tribal groups in Nigeria... since there isn't any true ethnic difference in many cases, but rather simply differences in culture and identity.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    How long is it since you have read any newspaper article about Japan? Come on, be honest. High suicide, high depression, high levels of people not being able to get married..... and their economy has been on a decline https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=JP

    Nobody is arguing for the kind of "diversity" in the US. Thats the sort of country you and your gang of 5 friends here would create, where the newer and darker people would be treated like doormats because in your eyes they don't belong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    Wow, your mask is slipping off here. Nigeria has hundreds of languages, religions, cultures. So is it only to be when white people have different languages that this is diversity, while "those blacks are all the same". Right? When can I expect you around to burn a cross outside my door?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,158 ✭✭✭Kaybaykwah


    There is a recent law passed in Quebec where people working in government functions and esp. in positions of authority cannot wear religious symbols at work. Lotsa people cry fowl, and characterize Quebec as a chauvinistic, and xenophobic society because of that law.

    I am comfortable with that. Other provinces and states can do what they want with religious freedoms, but if you are teaching or policing, judging, etc… You need to realize you are a tool of the state, not the other way around.

    So called religious freedoms in the public realm have become another card in the camel riding democrats who demand more " freedom" to regulate civil law in sharia courts and the like.

    The law in question, bill 21 is a bulwark that can discourage repeated attempts to undermine the legal predominance of state courts in matters where women in particular can be relegated to subjection of aleatory authority.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Wow... so you list problems that are facing every country in the world.... oh and people in Japan don't want to get married, not that they are unable to do so.

    Um... the sign of someone unable to argue much of anything is to throw out accusations or slurs like you just did. You have failed to show any country which matches your ideal of diversity.... well done there.

    Oh, and when you look at modern diverse countries where multiculturalism was encouraged, you will find darker skinned people at the bottom of socio-economics, because of a lack in education/skills and preparation when moving to a first world nation. These are practical considerations.. as opposed to the feel good virtue signalling that comes from posters with extremely vague opinions.

    And that's what we've gotten from you so far. Vague assertions without committing yourself to defending much of anything.

    haha... actually it's amusing just how much you deflect. Maybe you simply don't understand basic logic, and resort to insulting others to cover your confusion?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭jmreire


    And never a bad word between them....no tribal conflicts etc. Really???



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,695 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack



    What’s this ‘we’ business, paleface? 🤔


    Reference might be before your time 😁




    Countries regarded as lacking in diversity are usually regarded as unhealthy by those in the minority, based upon their own standards, which shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone.

    While joining the EU has had an influence on our economy, it’s a bit much to suggest that joining the EU has had much of an influence on Ireland culturally or politically. It would be far more true to suggest that Irish culture and politics is far more influenced from the other direction - the US.

    I wouldn’t use the example of abortion as a signal of anything great either tbh, particularly when black leaders in the US portray the issue as “black genocide”. It’s far more complex than that obviously, but in much the same way as you don’t appear to care for the facts relating to the history of Irish society and politics if you think without Savita Halapannavar’s death Ireland wouldn’t still have voted to repeal the 8th amendment, the proponents of “black genocide” don’t care much for facts which contradict their narrative either.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


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    Yup, a wonderful example of diversity. Although, it's a tribal system in Africa, so it can hardly be considered to be diverse in the same way multiculturalists push for diversity in the West.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    You present an argument with no logic at all, and not at all countering my observation.

    Just because you say something doesn't make it true I'm afraid. Now we're bringing the EEC into it. It wasn't a particularly intercultural project in Ireland. Migration to Ireland was net outward into the 90's. Any multiculturalism didn't seem to require movements of people. Which was very often the case in history, ideas travelled more than people. And irish people have been campaigning for women's reproductive rights including abortion long before Ms Halapanaver came into the equation. The X case was in what 1993(?) and the 12th, 13th and 14th amemdments were added to the constitution that same year. All pre multicultural Ireland.

    Which has precisely nothing to do with my post. Your argument now appears to point raised, response: "You smell". Though as we've seen many times before in this thread with most, but not all of those on the pro multicultural politic, when their arguments go adrift, or even when they are probed at all, it's not long before the run to the personals kicks in. It's pretty much a given at this stage. Which as I've admitted before has surprised me almost from the start of the thread. I genuinely expected far more robust and solid arguments for a politic and philosophy that is seen as such a sure thing positive and self evident truth. Yet the arguments for it don't seem to be too self evident for the supporters of it to the point where attack the poster not the post comes all too quickly into play.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,144 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Indeed. And there's quite a lot of ethnic flashpoints in that nation and has been for a long time. Much of it historically down to Europeans drawing lines in maps and the locals be damned. Maybe what they need now is a load of current White Europeans to help them welcome more diversity of thoughts and improve their lot. Not.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,433 ✭✭✭jmreire



    Seems like it fits Luttrell's definition of diverse multiculture though. Well I've lived in a few of these Country's, and believe me, this kind of culture we can do well without.



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    You and your white-sheeted friends are only gaslighters, back earlier in the thread it was stated that they are not fleeing any problems, and the purpose of raising the serious differences between Nigeria's huge and diverse range of peoples was on the insistence that Nigeria had no ethnic diversity.



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    You don't seem to know the history of Ireland at all. Did it stop in 1960 for you, after the Christian brothers gave up whipping it into you?

    The EEC brought forward social conditions, and environmental laws which you and your ilk all still whine about as if they were heavy impositions. For example the marriage bar for married women in the civil service had to go when the gender equality principles were adopted. Also there were a raft if laws that asked EEC states to come up with labour activation measures based on the principles of social solidarity - prior to that the Irish Government's policy was designed for the interest of the white, settled, heterosexual, mediocre, superficially catholic, eldest farmer's sons - EMIGRATION.

    The problem about your ideas on what constitutes a solid "politic and philosophical" is you don't have a single positive thing to say about diversity because you are obsessed and fascinated by difference in a love hate sort of way. Mainly hate, but then we know you couldn't do without it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975


    LOL, you guys keep me too busy. 😘

    Sweden - Swedish 80.3%, Syrian 1.9%, Iraqi 1.4%, Finnish 1.4%, other 15% (2020 est.)

    Finland - Finnish 86.9%, Swedish (official) 5.2%, Russian 1.5%, other 6.4% (2020 est.)

    Denmark - Danish 84.1%, Turkish 1.1%, Inuit 1.0% other 13.7% (largest groups are Polish, Syrian, German, Iraqi, and Romanian) (2018 est.)

    Norwegian - Norwegian 83.2% (includes about 60,000 Sami), other European 8.3%, other 8.5% (2017 est.)

    Iceland - Icelandic 81.7%, Polish 5.6%, Danish 1%, other 11.7% (2020 est.)

    Ireland- Irish 82.2%, Irish travelers 0.7%, other White 9.5%, Asian 2.1%, Black 1.4%, other 3.6% (2016 est.)



  • Registered Users Posts: 190 ✭✭Luttrell1975




  • Registered Users Posts: 25,265 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Nothing inherently wrong with multiculturalism...

    i simply believe though that every country on the planet, should be of the ability to allow who they wish into their country .. both to visit and to make a home and life...

    That when there is a threat to the wellbeing of its people, either through over population, financial and terror threats every country can control its borders... open them or shut them... how and when that country wishes with the best interests and capabilities of securing the wellbeing, security and safety of its citizens at heart and as first priority..

    the EU model has failed us and will continue to....

    EU states have never been under greater terror threat...

    EU states have never been under as heightened financial strains...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Um, you do realise that everyone who disagrees with you isn't part of some collective with the same opinions, and stances on issues?

    Most of us have some similarities in our opinions, but there's plenty of space for us to disagree too. So, one or two posters saying something doesn't represent everyone in the overall discussion.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How about defining "diversity" so that we might know for certain where you're coming from?

    Also, I'm still waiting for these Utopian or wonderfully diverse countries that you advocate as being a success... I've asked you before now to name them. Perhaps you could show us which countries meet your standards of being diverse, and successful?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Also we have health care system and a housing shortage that Is not fit to care for the population of the country at the moment. Need to seriously think about upgrading our country's services before we start adding more pressure to it.



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