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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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    #24062
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118324793#Comment_118324793

    Valid point indeed.

    I would imagine the final tally for the HSE's Covid PR budget will be suitably buried or stashed away on page 1995 of their accounts,but this type of 24/7 campaign is expensive,VERY expensive particularly over all media types.

    Most of it is pure drivel,and overarchingly tilted towards maintaining a level of Fear amongst the great unwashed,which in turn can lead to a level of self-policing and touting,which has always been an Irish strongpoint as can be understood from the History of British Rule in Ireland,where Irish people were the most enthusiastic enforcers of their Majesties policies against other Irish people.

    History repeating itself ? - You bet !


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #24063
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118325872#Comment_118325872

    Agree 100%.

    Modern Day Europe appears to now be run by Samsonite,such is the never ending fixation with CASES !

    This has never been about cases,the vast majority of which have NEVER even come close to threatening humanity's existence.

    I am heartened that there is a slow awakening,which is leading to people,at least voicing their concerns,even if it is in hushed tones.

    Sadly the Covid industry is now a big budget affair,and due to the Emergency Provisions of the 1947 Health Acts,huge payments have been made for goods & services NEVER subjected to the rigors of a functional Tendering Process which would have been ordinarly required,and which would,at least,allowed for some oversight as to where this (our) money is actually ending up.

    The entire thing stinks to high heaven ! 😡

    Post edited by AlekSmart on


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #24064
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118326609#Comment_118326609

    The main risk is that the young fella can't go to the cinema because he didn't get a vaccine... A vaccine which has been proven to do a lot of good



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    #24065
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323813#Comment_118323813

    Ah no they exist alright.

    Sadly



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    #24066
    snowgal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,787 ✭✭✭snowgal


    Can guarantee we’ll see a drop in tests over the next week, people won’t want to isolate for Christmas!



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    #24067
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327190#Comment_118327190

    No real media coverage of the variety of "supports" to GP's provided by the HSE during Covid-19,or indeed the greater issue of just how Practices performed during the past 18 months.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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    #24068
    MilkyToast
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327665#Comment_118327665

    The young fella can't go to the cinema because of authoritarian overreach by his government.

    I hope he remembers it when he turns 18.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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    #24069
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327168#Comment_118327168

    You're right. Rich white men have never oppressed anyone and are renowned for their empathy and wide ranging compassion.


    "I think we can all agree" the faux outrage is a bit cringe.



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    #24070
    watchingfromafar
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327234#Comment_118327234

    Except it is age related as those of certain age can't be vaccinated and therefore except



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    #24071
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327960#Comment_118327960

    So now you're suggesting restricting everyone over 18? Under 18? Obviously not, but you've gone a bit sideways.



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    #24072
    watchingfromafar
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327988#Comment_118327988

    I'm pointing out your flawed support of the vaccine pass.

    I'm not the one suggesting we ban anybody. That's you.


    You seem perfectly happy to have children indoors but not an 18 year old. Why is that?

    Neither will end up in hospital.

    So clearly YOU are okay with age based discrimination.

    Become older and lose your freedoms. For what?



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    #24073
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327322#Comment_118327322

    The restrictions are to protect the health system from being overrun so everyone (vaccinated and unvaccinated) can be treated when hospitalised by SARS-COV2.

    Which group are most at risk of being hospitalised if we don't go by age? The unvaccinated. if we go by age, 60+, if we go by age and unvaccinated, likely 40+.



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    #24074
    watchingfromafar
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328008#Comment_118328008

    Obese people.

    So let's ban them. Its not age then

    Sound good?



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    #24075
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328003#Comment_118328003

    The vaccine pass keeps those most likely to be hospitalised (12x) away from socially risky locations.

    If we don't go by COVID pass, what restriction are you in favor of instead? Or who do we stop treating? (still unanswered except for vague notions about EU control which leads me to think you think the restrictions are fake and should be completely dropped?)



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    #24076
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328028#Comment_118328028

    You really have an axe to grind against the obese. What BMI? How should it be implemented?



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    #24077
    Shilock
    Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327693#Comment_118327693

    A friend of mine who's sniffly regularly will definitely need a break, their nose is torn to shreds from regular testing. It's insane that people are reduced to fearing something that they might never have. I'd say she's had around the most covid tests in the country in the last year because her partner is an absolute narcissistic psychopath and tells her if she has symptoms she's to go get that thing shoved inside her. Her only sickness is her obedience to her over protective abusive boyfriend. I'd say the local testing center are like, oh not you again....



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    #24078
    watchingfromafar
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328042#Comment_118328042

    Ah yes you're deflecting again. Acting like you can't see the irony or sarcasm.

    Again! I do not support banning anyone.

    But you clearly do. So why do you not support the banning of the vulnerable and the obese as well as those who you really have an axe to grind with, the unvaccinated.

    See you claim its for health and to protect the unvaccinated but the reality is that's not true because you would be quiet happy to ban a 13 year old unvaccinated child over an obese or vulnerable person. WHO btw can still get covid from the vaccinated. And will get omicron now.


    Your real issue is you feel like you took the jab by force so everyone else should have to follow suit.



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    #24079
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327838#Comment_118327838

    No faux outrage chief. Just amazed you would bring casual racism into a coronavirus thread.

    And yes, rich white men have done an awful lot of good and bad for the modern world. Same as any race, Gender or age.

    Anyway.

    I'm unsure as to what extra measures are going to be implemented. Do we think the next call will be an announcement that the covid certs will expire without a booster as of January?



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    #24080
    noraos
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328030#Comment_118328030

    Socially risky...so what about nursing homes...why aren't certs mandatory there?

    That's the most risky place a person could be...

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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    #24081
    lawred2
    Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Ah yeah.. the vaccination pass is to protect the unvaccinated because the vaccinated are all in a huddle passing covid between themselves.

    When people write this crap, I wonder to myself do they actually truly believe it? Or do they just like the wind up!?



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    #24082
    MilkyToast
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328059#Comment_118328059

    I hope you're planning an intervention!

    I have a head cold at the moment. I feel like crud actually. Sore throat, headache, stuffed up and achey.

    Things I'm not gonna do: 1. Get tested. 2. Go socialising.

    And my partner knows better but if he "told" me to tromp down to a testing centre while I'm feeling like **** he'd find himself sleeping in the shed to allay his own fears.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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    #24083
    watchingfromafar
    Registered Users Posts: 307 ✭✭watchingfromafar


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328030#Comment_118328030

    You want restrictions to keep going.

    You actually think the ones we have in place are doing something?

    It's a seasonal virus.

    No restrictions and it goes away in the warmer months.

    We have seen this before elsewhere

    Hide under your bed.

    If the vaccine is as good as you say then covid isn't a threat anymore.

    You are acting like we don't have a vaccine.



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    #24084
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328082#Comment_118328082

    You want to restrict obese people (I don't, the COVID pass is easy to implement, encourages people to get vaccinated and reduces the chance of the group which are being hospitalised the most away from hospital).

    You're jumping all over the place, first age, now the obese, then no restrictions (but then not answering how to handle overrun hospitals, mostly because I suspect you think the whole thing is fake).



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    #24085
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328088#Comment_118328088

    I don't understand that one, unless it's been enforced by the home directly. OTOH, there can be some people in the home that refuse to be vaccinated (even though they are high risk) and the law would leave them homeless.



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    #24086
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328101#Comment_118328101

    So you think we should drop all restrictions today? I've consistently said it should have been August, but the next opportunity is Spring.

    Are the restrictions necessary at the moment or are they being implemented for some ulterior motive?

    (there are lots of countries that had huge summer spikes, but let's pretend you are right).



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    #24087
    MilkyToast
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328102#Comment_118328102

    You're deflecting from his point because the logical conclusion makes you uncomfortable.

    And you're fooling nobody.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



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    #24088
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328119#Comment_118328119

    What's the point you want answered? Who's trying to fool anybody?

    It's a bunch of posters thinking that restrictions do nothing, one of whom believes it's an EU plot to control people's lives, others who seem to think the whole thing is for a bit of fun to keep the unvaccinated repressed while constantly shying away from wanting to bring in an age cert or an obesity cert (but fine to blame older people or obese people at every turn). Every one of them seem to be afraid of saying what they want to and just try and live on outrage and dismay.



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    #24089
    noraos
    Registered Users Posts: 160 ✭✭noraos


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328112#Comment_118328112

    There are exemptions for residents of hotels..exempt from needing the pass.., they could bring that in for nursing homes too.... its the visitors I was referring to...you can walk into a very vulnerable and risk setting.. not vaccinated.. and potentially pass it on to someone who has a real chance of dying..

    Yet same person can't go to the gym.. noone can explain it reality, as it doesn't make sense

    "To live is the rarest thing in the world. Most people exist, that is all."-Oscar Wilde



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    #24090
    Red Silurian
    Registered Users Posts: 9,178 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118327795#Comment_118327795

    You're saying more restrictions could lead to a SF led government in a few years time? I'm beginning to want restrictions at that thought



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    #24091
    astrofool
    Registered Users Posts: 16,655 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328178#Comment_118328178

    It appears it's so they can allow people to visit on compassionate grounds but it's enforced otherwise:

    Visiting nursing homes and residential care facilities - HSE.ie

    Most nursing homes will ask you to show that you are fully vaccinated or have recently recovered from COVID-19.

    When you go for a visit bring your ID and your:


    EU Digital COVID Certificate


    HSE COVID-19 vaccination record


    COVID-19 Recovery Certificate

    The staff may not ask for these every time, for example if you are a regular visitor. They may be able to make exceptions on compassionate grounds.



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