What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

70k from milking 50 cows. Is this after the land and labour charge? Is it after all the capital and maintenance costs. If the spouse is on 30k for the 39 hour week what is the labour charge for the farmer? I'd suggest about 80k of a labour charge considering the hours involved.

Turnover is vanity. Gas the way your factoring in free labour from grandparents. Look at any café, restaurant, retail or any other business. They all have a labour charge. I've heard restaurant owners interviewed on the radio closing their business. They say "I could have made it work if I spent 6 days a week there myself but obviously I wasn't going to do that."

Milking 75 to cows here on 100 acres so not far off from what you're saying. Land and facilities charge here is 30k. Labour charge is 100k. I'm losing money every year.

About 12k after pension. 12%. It's a moot point anyway because I don't make enough to pay myself a fair wage.

You’re looking to take 1700€ Per cow per year out of the farm for yourseif ?

Ah here straight. 75 cows and you think it's two full time labour units?

If you need 2 labour units at 75 cows you need to look at facilities because something is eating way too much time.

You must be a young lad cos as recently as the 90's we did have butter mtns etc. as the CAP was 100% tied to production - thats why the reforms came in as the system had become utterly market distorting and dysfunctional. There is still some way to go to fully remove payments from production but obviously vested interests like MII etc. have slowed the process in this country at least

I think you’re being very ambitious straight or else you’ve savage strong milk solids to have that amount left out of it

just short of 160 calving here in the spring with me and my 73 year old father,

Where is the 30k and 100k going?

Are you paying them to yourself, and just listing them as expenses in the accounts?

Dont milk cows, so can’t comment on the work involved.

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That's what I'm saying. It can't be done. I earned 60k in my job for 39 hour week. Anything over 39 hours was time and a half for the first 4 hours and double time after that. Working bank holidays was triple time. It is illegal under European law to work over 60 hours er week.

I'll never see that kind of money from farming. And I never expected to. I'm not in it for the money.

My issue is this crap that milking 88 cows is only 3 to 4 hours per day. And it's not even a full time job.

Or people counting turnover as income. Wtf like.

I'm farming 5 years now and I have taken feck all out of it for myself. Fully set up now with no debt and no mortgage though so will see a return from here on.

Imo them guys are only codding themselves. Telling lies so that teagasc will put them up on a pedestal to try and push on the other farmers.

If I did contract rearing, paid more contractors, paid someone to do more maintenance around the place, paid someone to measure grass I'd get my hours way down but all them guys will be well paid. If I sold cows off the parlour, dumped calves at 10 days I'd get my hours way down too but profitability would be down too along with welfare.

I do my own thing here and I do it as right as I can.

You call them guys the best operators. Well, not in my book

I know some are going to be upset at this but milking cows is a low skill job. Most farms paying labour are only paying milkers 12ish euro/ hour. Milking sub 100 cows is generally doable in sub 2 hours. 4 hours/ day is 28/ week. Wintering feeding or summer fertlizer spreading/ pasture management etc is probably another 2 ish hours/ day for 3-4 days a week. You are just about getting to a 40 hour week. Yet all this is 12/ hour work or sub 25k/ year( and at that you only have 45 weeks milking).

Anything extra is because of the the capital involved, the hours V lifestyle, the management skillset to run a herd. When you go into payscale beyond 50k they are not easily earned in the private sector.

A lot of ordinary workers end up 10-12 hours/ day away from home while only getting paid for 8. They pick up travel costs that they pay direct from there take home pay. I remember the difference in lifestyle that it made to me when I changed jobs and I had the van too and from home. Now my wages were the same but there was more bread on the table

That's like saying that a beef farmer gets up in the afternoon. Walks out to count the cattle and he's finished for the day.

When I was working I had 25 days holidays per year,health insurance paid for my whole family, pension contribution of 5%. All my breaks were paid. I was paid for the time I turned up till the time I left.

Fertiliser thread is it?

27 hours a cow total labour everything included ?