The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Xavi6 · 15-12-2021 8:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118323591#Comment_118323591

He's in the protocol but hasn't been ruled out yet. Negative tests needed I think.

adrian522 · 15-12-2021 11:57am

Very unlikely anyone with a positive test today would play by Sunday. They need to be symptom free, return 2 negative tests 24 hours apart.

So unless it was a false positive he's probably out.

adrian522 · 15-12-2021 4:18pm

Baker Mayfield on the Covid list now too, so likely out for the weekend. Not sure it weakens them that much to be honest though.

Xavi6 · 15-12-2021 4:18pm

Mayfield and Stefanski the latest Browns personnel to test positive.

Christy42 · 15-12-2021 11:40pm

Lambo claims Meyer kicked him when he was with the Jags and tended to not refer to specialist players by name. Apparently Meyer didn't like Lambo giving out to him for kicking him. Not massively hard but not a gentle stroke either according to Lambo.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/bucs/2021/12/15/former-jaguars-kicker-josh-lambo-says-he-was-kicked-by-urban-meyer-during-pregame-warmups/?fbclid=IwAR15WVnSg_u_wwS3nA5n_2XtHHHMDXB4ogXzCGXcku_axnO73NPoyY75NIs

Marvin Jones was directly asked about his own incident with Meyer. Definitely didn't deny anything but said they had talked it out. Not sure they came to a resolution on it mind but Jones gave a very guarded professional answer to the media. I have a massive amount of respect for that guy. Lawrence as well as come out with guarded answers but acknowledging that there is drama going on. He could have simply said it was a media storm if there was nothing going on.

Haven't seen anyone particularly coming out to defend him. I am sure some of the stories are hyped up a bit with the media being the media.

At the end of the day the core issue with the Jags isn't Meyer. It is the orginisation with Meyer being a symptom of it so who knows when heads will start rolling or even if they do.

Realt Dearg Sec · 16-12-2021 2:43am

I mean if they don't fire him they will have serious issues attracting free agents, who knows possibly even signing draftees. It's a clown car right now.

Xavi6 · 16-12-2021 6:49am

They’ve fired him

https://twitter.com/aroundthenfl/status/1471356379805876224?s=21

Shedite27 · 16-12-2021 9:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118329234#Comment_118329234

Looking forward to hearing the stories from the current players now

el Fenomeno · 16-12-2021 11:01am

That was as spectacularly bad a tenure as I can remember.

eagle eye · 16-12-2021 11:09am

It was pretty clear with the performance at the weekend that things had come to a head.

eagle eye · 16-12-2021 11:16am

It'll be interesting to see who they bring in to take over for next season.

They really should go for an offensive minded head coach to get the best out of Lawrence.

Daboll and Bieniemy should be top of the list.

boccy23 · 16-12-2021 11:26am

Need to help Lawrence very quickly before he becomes a David Carr.

Foxtrol · 16-12-2021 3:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118328622#Comment_118328622

Not sure what you mean by the last paragraph unless it is that the organisation is at fault for hiring him in the first place and giving him the power he demanded.

Agree the organisation is a mess but Meyer was a core issue, the Jags didn't make him do what he did since he was hired and he would have dragged most organisations down with those actions. Calling him a symptom is really underplaying it - at this stage he was more like a cancer

Shedite27 · 16-12-2021 3:40pm

The interview about the DB was the standout for me. Whatever about his personality being a jerk and borderline bully, knowing football was what he was meant to be. When asked about how a DB was doing he said something like "he's played more for us in recent games", when in fact he'd played zero snaps. He hadn't a clue what was going on with the team

Christy42 · 16-12-2021 5:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331282#Comment_118331282

We have had issues before Meyer. Including players being advised not to play for the Jags. I guess my point was they hired Meyer because they are a mess who made the mess worse but there is still a complete mess without Meyer there. I suspect the next hire will be bad as well. Not as bad as Meyer because oh holy F he set a high bar for being a clusterf*.

Itssoeasy · 16-12-2021 5:44pm

Not shocked by the news that Meyer is out in Jacksonville but for some reason I felt he’d get the rest of the season because at this stage it was like an injury that’s bad but continuing on wouldn’t cause further long term damage.

The eagles were scheduled to be the 6pm game on sky sports this Sunday but sky have changed it which I was happy about until I saw that the WFT have 18 players on the covid list, so they might be playing it safe but seeing as the league are clearly not going to move games I don’t see what the issue was.

And in more WFT the Washington post is reporting that the WFT owner Daniel Snyder actively interfered in the leagues investigation of the team. You’d wonder at what point will the league say enough of this shite ?

eagle eye · 16-12-2021 6:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118331282#Comment_118331282

He had history and was still hired so in that sense he is a symptom of the much larger issue with the Jags.

adrian522 · 17-12-2021 9:04pm

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1471930187554168838

Itssoeasy · 18-12-2021 4:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118339751#Comment_118339751

I finish up for the year next Wednesday so I won’t watch the eagles game live(we’ve all said that though) but I’m not complaining that we have live football most of next week.

Itssoeasy · 18-12-2021 4:26pm

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32894745/sources-jacksonville-jaguars-say-football-coach-urban-meyer-fired-cause-intend-pay-rest-contract

And like Andrew Brandt likes to say on Twitter “there’ll be lawyers” but I think the jags did have cause to fire urban Meyer beyond the awful on the field play of the team.

Itssoeasy · 22-12-2021 9:08pm

Eagles head coach nick sirianni has tested positive for covid which unless the team are very very lucky will mean players will test positive but the protocol were changed so hopefully it won’t be that bad.

Itssoeasy · 23-12-2021 5:04pm

49 years ago at 8:29PM Irish time Franco Harris crossed the goal line to score a TD that won the game for the steelers against the rival raiders in the AFC playoffs. The play according to NFL films is the most famous and controversial play in NFL history, which while I agree it’s one of the most famous plays ever, I really don’t see how it’s a controversial play 49 years after the fact.

https://youtu.be/dHIXFKrrUhA

I know the raiders players from the day and their head coach John madden in particular is still pissed over the play but I’m sorry I don’t get how they think only the steelers player made contact with the ball.

eagle eye · 23-12-2021 5:31pm

Just looking at Jimmy G's performances since week 10, he seems to be playing at a pretty decent level. He's thrown for about 1600 yards with 10 TDs and 3 ints during those six games.

eagle eye · 23-12-2021 5:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118342865#Comment_118342865

How does this look to potential future head coaches though?

Itssoeasy · 23-12-2021 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118366824#Comment_118366824

I’ve no idea how it looks @eagle eye because you’d expect most future head coaches of the jags and other teams not to act in any way like urban Meyer would act. Don’t act like that and it won’t get you fired for cause and on results alone which is how it should be.

Shedite27 · 23-12-2021 7:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118366845#Comment_118366845

It'll be interesting how this plays out alright.

Did they say anything at the time of the firing that it was because of breaches of conduct, rather than results? In any other company, you have to list the reasons why someone is being fired, HFL head coach is a strange one thought

It's not a black and white one, but I guess Jacksonville could point to other managers they've had with equally bad results, who they stood by until the end of the season. Difference here was the off field antics

eagle eye · 23-12-2021 9:31pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118366845#Comment_118366845

Yeah but if they are trying to get away without paying him a penny then they have history of doing that.

I understand the Meyer situation was bad but once you get a reputation it's hard to shift it.

Itssoeasy · 23-12-2021 9:49pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367646#Comment_118367646

They appear to be not wanting to pay him because he did and said that they believe give then cause to not pay him the rest of his contract.

Itssoeasy · 23-12-2021 10:21pm

Lamar Jackson didn’t practice again today.

there’s player going on the covid reserve list like nobodies business.

eagle eye · 23-12-2021 11:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367704#Comment_118367704

I get that but you get a reputation when you go that route.

A better option, imo, would be to have a discussion with his lawyers and state you feel you don't need to pay him but are willing to talk about it and pay him 25% or whatever with a NDA attached.

el Fenomeno · 24-12-2021 12:55am

I don't think there's anything wrong with having a reputation for not paying severance pay to head coaches who hit their own players.

Am I mad?

eagle eye · 24-12-2021 2:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368414#Comment_118368414

So just put yourself in the position of a guy whose wanted by two or three teams.

These guys didn't pay their last coach. Now we know there were serious issues but will they try something with me if things don't work out.

Like they're reputation is already in the bin anyways. They should never have hired Meyer. The whole organisation is in a heap. This is a team who had the worst record in the league last year and are heading for a repeat in that unwanted category.

I just think it's the final straw in turning off a good head coaching candidate. We'll know soon enough.

Like they really want to be attracting a top offensive talent like Bienniemy or Daboll.

Tom1991 · 24-12-2021 2:39am

Bieniemy is a non runner even if he wanted to leave the chiefs set up due to the past history stuff.Teams like the jags and raiders will need the steady safe hands types of coaches when they do hire after all the **** thats gone on there this year.

then you have to put into the mix potentially

Bears,Jags,raiders,texans(1st year HC but who knows what there long term plan is),Vikings,Giants could be all out looking for there next messiahs I don’t think the jags will get a top guy regardless.

Realt Dearg Sec · 24-12-2021 2:56am

Yeah I agree, apart from anything else it keeps urban Meyer in the news, and the jags mess in the spotlight at a moment they should be trying to put it all in the past. I know it's a lot of money but in the context of an NFL team it's not make or break stuff exactly. Just pay him and get him out of your hair rather than continuing to have headlines about him and you as it all drags on between the lawyers. If I was a top candidate I would have them last on the list because it's a circus, whatever about the risk of them trying to stiff me out of money down the road. Hiring Meyer was mickey mouse **** but the way they've handled it makes them look like what Rex Ryan would call a slapdick team.

Hey maybe they'll hire Rex...

Foxtrol · 24-12-2021 3:48am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367262#Comment_118367262

Not in most states in the US, it is 'at will' so they can just tell you you're fired - pretty sure Florida is one of them.

For all the issues with the Jags if coaches still rate Lawrence then it will be far from the bottom of the open vacancies. Key thing for any coach would be to get Baalke out the door, the guy is like Littlefinger

Christy42 · 24-12-2021 3:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368667#Comment_118368667

Only at will if it doesn't say otherwise in the contract. Which wealthy people will be able to get payment for getting fired put into their contract. Jags are still paying other admin staff no longer with the team.

Meyer will have reasons he can get fired cheaply written into his contract though so it will be on the wording. The kick should be good enough though.

Itssoeasy · 24-12-2021 4:23pm

https://twitter.com/washingtonnfl/status/1474395803045220352?s=21

Another fatal car crash involving an NFL player. Terrible news.

eagle eye · 24-12-2021 5:45pm

Thankfully it appears alcohol was not the reason.

eagle eye · 24-12-2021 9:02pm

Happy Christmas all, hope you have a great one.

KrustyUCC · 29-12-2021 2:21am

John Madden, legendary Hall of Fame coach, dies at age 85

https://www.nfl.com/news/john-madden-legendary-hall-of-fame-coach-dies-at-age-85

RIP

eagle eye · 29-12-2021 2:32am

Just heard that a couple of minutes and I'm gutted.

Learned so much about the game by listening to him as a color commentator. He was more of a teacher than a commentator.

The GOAT color commentator and one of the greatest coaches ever too.

RIP John Madden, you did it all and did it brilliantly.

Itssoeasy · 29-12-2021 2:32am

Just happened to see the news. I know people overuse the phrase about the word legend being used too liberally but in John maddens case I think the word legend is completely appropriate. I mean I obviously don’t remember him as a head coach but I remember him as commentator, and also as the guys who’s name was on the game that while it didn’t get me into football it most certainly helped me become a bigger fan. And I assume he got to watch the documentary on Christmas Day on fox about him.

Anyway RIP John Madden

Oat23 · 29-12-2021 9:55am

Peacock were releasing a Madden doc next week but it has been released now following his death. Gonna have to try to find it to watch later.

https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1476019221758939140?t=LpVNBKytdxSIF5evzqwwJA&s=19

myate · 29-12-2021 10:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118384829#Comment_118384829

I think a lot of us on here following NFL since the Channel 4 days learned the game from Madden's commentary...I sure did, he made a technical game pretty easy to follow. The 90's was the era of the Niners & Cowboys and C4 showed their games most of the time on a Monday night & it was usually Summerall & Madden on the call.

And by all accounts, one of the greatest head coaches ever. Who else has a record like 103-32-7. Absolute legend. RIP John Madden. Boom!

Itssoeasy · 29-12-2021 4:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118385185#Comment_118385185

Who else has a record like 103-32-7. Absolute legend. RIP John Madden. Boom!

well Lombardi was the next closest in terms of winning percentage and games won and you need to remember that in his ten years as HC he played all but one with only 14 regular season game so he had 18 less games then all other coaches from 1978 until this season and he still beats them. His teams were involved in some of the most famous moments in NFL history. There was the immaculate reception, the holy roller play, and the sea of hands which ended the dolphins hopes of winning a third consecutive SB.

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2021 11:27pm

The 15 modern era finalists for the 2022 HOF are being announced at the moment.

Itssoeasy · 30-12-2021 11:46pm

The 2022 modern-era player finalists with their positions, years and teams, as announced on NFL Network:

Andre Johnson, WR -- 2003-2014 Houston Texans, 2015 Indianapolis Colts, 2016 Tennessee Titans
DeMarcus Ware, LB -- 2005-2013 Dallas Cowboys, 2014-2016 Denver Broncos
Devin Hester, PR/KR/WR -- 2006-2013 Chicago Bears, 2014-2015 Atlanta Falcons, 2016 Baltimore Ravens, 2016 Seattle Seahawks
Patrick Willis, LB -- 2007-2014 San Francisco 49ers
Sam Mills, LB -- 1986-1994 New Orleans Saints, 1995-97 Carolina Panthers
Zach Thomas, LB -- 1996-2007 Miami Dolphins, 2008 Dallas Cowboys
Jared Allen, DE – 2004-2007 Kansas City Chiefs, 2008-2013 Minnesota Vikings, 2014-2015 Chicago Bears, 2015 Carolina Panthers
Richard Seymour, DE/DT -- 2001-08 New England Patriots, 2009-2012 Oakland Raiders
Bryant Young, DE/DT -- 1994-2007 San Francisco 49ers
Reggie Wayne, WR -- 2001-2014 Indianapolis Colts
Torry Holt, WR -- 1999-2008 St. Louis Rams, 2009 Jacksonville Jaguars
Ronde Barber, DB – 1997-2012 Tampa Bay Buccaneers
LeRoy Butler, S -- 1990-2001 Green Bay Packers

Well these are the 15 finalists who will be cut to 10 and then a maximum of five the day before the super bowl in LA. Good luck getting five names out of that without ruffling some feathers.

Itssoeasy · 31-12-2021 10:51am

The all madden documentary is on gamepass for those of us that have that service.

threeball · 02-01-2022 9:09pm

Off season is going to be interesting this year. Alot of last years bets didn't work out and there's a few players itching for a move.

I think the Brown's will be in the market for a QB as Mayfield has shown he's just not up to it. If Watson can clear his legal issues going to the Brown's would put him in a playoff ready team off the bat. If Rodgers decides he wants out it opens up all kinds of possibilities.

Trevor Lawrence has turned out worse than what I thought he would and I wasn't expecting him to be great to start with. Add in the coaching issues and the Jags are in a bad place.

Zadarius Smith doesn't look too happy in Green Bay. Losing him and Rodgers could be the start of a spell out in the cold for the packers who have been perennial play off contenders for years.

The Raiders have mountains of problems on and off the field.

Brady is starting to look a bit more fallible at the Buccs and can't go forever.

The Ravens still can't make the step up and Jackson is proving he can't close out the big games.

There's already a ton of interesting situations and we haven't even hit the playoffs yet.

eagle eye · 02-01-2022 10:59pm

I don't think Antonio Brown will find another team after his antics today.

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