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Formula 1 Round 22 Abu Dhabi GP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    Smear tactics? Which Instragram account are you following, you know the one with the little blue tick beside it is the real one, right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭donspeekinglesh


    We've already been down that slippery slope before when Fontana in the Sauber-Ferrari held up Villeneuve to help Schumacher at Jerez in 1997. Gets forgotten about because of what happened later in the race.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    And this is the bit relative newcomers to F1 are struggling with, saying Masi changed the rules on first stopping cars unlapping and then allowing them.

    It simply wasn't safe to let them unlap while marshalls were on the track, and once they were gone, then it was safe. Nothing to do with rule changes, everything to do with safety.

    The safety car should be left out as long as possible to get track cleared of debris and marshalls but no longer. Leaving it out for the final lap made no sense as the track was cleared.



  • Registered Users Posts: 45,747 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Regulations say after providing the message for lapped cars to unlap, the safety car will come in at the end of the following lap.

    The safety car came in at the end of the same lap. Had it followed regulations, the race ends under safety car and Hamilton wins the race and title.

    For the safety car to come in on the lap it did, the lapped cars should have been left where they were - which would have put 5 cars between Hamilton and Max - Max still would have had a great chance of catching and passing, but not as easy as it was made for him by mangling the rules as Masi did.



  • Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭thefa


    That was exactly what I was debating actually! Quoted the relevant posts previously where it basically suggested that Abu Dhabi was Max finally getting the some luck.

    Max was unstoppable for certain parts of the year and I can definitely see why his consistency deserved it (besides obviously get the points) but Hamilton was justifiably in contention at the end of the season too. As you mention, plenty of swings and roundabouts over the full 22 races but you get opinions coming out from individuals with vested interests, framing it to whatever way suits.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,242 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    That regulation never applied in this case as it can only come into effect if all cars have been told to unlap themselves. This message was never sent out so 48.12 never applied.

    48.12: If the clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all Competitors via the official messaging system, any cars that have been lapped by the leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car.

    The message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" was never sent to all cars so it never applied.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭quokula


    The regulations say that the clerk of the course will call the safety car in as soon as it is safe to do so, and that his discretion is final. It was certainly safe to do so and had been for over a lap. The teams also unanimously agreed that races should be ended under green flags where possible, so this is the overriding priority where two rules conflict with each other in certain circumstances. It's similar about how the rule about going off track can conflict with the rule about not pushing someone off track - they have to make a judgment call about which is more important and in this case they chose the one that all the teams had unanimously agreed in advance was more important.

    And, as was pointed out previously, the marshalls were off the track once the train passed on lap 56 so there was time to let the lapped cars to go at that point, which is why many drivers from other teams who had nothing to do with the championship battle were on the radio confused about why lapped cars hadn't been let past yet like they normally are. If they'd been a little quicker off the mark on this then they would have fulfilled all the minutiae that Mercedes have clung on to, and it would have resulted in exactly the same outcome.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Mercedes have withdrawn their appeal. Great news for all involved and a line can be drawn under what myself and others consider a fake controversy.

    Congrats to Max. And there's definitely a need to both clear up rules or communicate them better to the occasional F1 fan who was left confused by what happened.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭quokula


    Weighing up the possibility of being beaten by George Russell and the possibility of Mercedes being less dominant under the new regs no doubt.

    I wonder who'd be on their radar if he does quit. Would be amazing to see Piastri get the drive, not sure how airtight his reserve driver contract with Alpine is. De Vries is the more obvious choice I guess.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,541 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    I had the opinion that this was Hamiltons clear last chance at the 8th. Russel represents the future for Merc, he is young and has more racing years left in him. Merc would be equally happy with a championship with whatever driver is in the car, like they were with Rosberg.

    Not saying Hamilton has no chance, but this was very much the best one.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭quokula


    I was pretty surprised earlier in the season when they announced that Russell was joining the team to be honest, I expected Lewis to insist on Bottas being there for the remainder of his career. The last time Lewis had a team-mate other than Bottas he was beaten, and you'd expect George to be at least as good as Nico was.



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    Yes, the fact that he did not allow cars to unlap themselves until that moment is not unusual at all. You could say the communication was unusual (or misleading) if it implied that they would never unlap themselves.

    The thing that was unusual was what followed - some cars unlapping themselves and not others. It's never happened before. And the safety car coming in so suddenly was highly irregular also. This is surely what the investigation will focus on. He's going to be asked how he decided which cars should unlap themselves and which shouldn't.

    I can't think of an answer that doesn't get him the sack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,541 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    Russel is very fast, and eager to prove that. What better way of doing that then by going up against a 7 time champion like Hamilton? Russel has been part of the Merc family for a long time as well, so I doubt he will be kept back too much, if at all.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,077 ✭✭✭McFly85


    This isn’t news but Mrs McFly just surprised me with tickets to Zandvoort next year. Beyond buzzing!

    So I hope this Hamilton retiring is nonsense, I’d love to get to see him race live.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,507 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    Its at the clerk of the course's discretion when the safety car comes in. Whether people think its irregular or not is beside the point. Most people know this, Mercedes know it, these are the rules they signed up to and agreed to along with letting them race. If they don't like the rules, they know where the door is.

    There was no reason to bring in the safety car earlier and zero reason to leave it out for the final lap. Bad enough as the controversy was, it would have been far worse if he left the safety car out to the end. That would really ruin the integrity of the sport.

    Anyways its time to draw a line under it. The Brits will continue to whine about it no doubt, well those who never watched a formula 1 race before and don't understand fully the rules.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,541 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭quokula


    On the plus side, if he does retire there's a good chance you'll be watching 2 Dutch World Champions race each other at Zandvoort.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,242 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,611 ✭✭✭quokula


    Hopefully he makes a quick recovery. With the way omicron is going there'll barely be anybody in the paddock who hasn't had it by the start of next season. Fortunate that relatively few races were missed by anyone during the year.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,856 ✭✭✭v10


    The Austrian "would very much hope Lewis continues racing" but also suggested Hamilton "will never overcome the pain and the distress that was caused on Sunday".

    Total pile of $hite, he knows full well that Lewis is going nowhere and is just trying to milk all he can from it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 962 ✭✭✭thefa


    Last season Lewis himself was saying no guarantee of returning for 2021 and of course he came back. Don’t think he’s the type to finish on such a close loss, one shy of the record when still close to his peak.

    Think Merc just want Masi’s head to roll which may already be in the pipeline for all we know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    Load of crap. Massa kept going after 08, Vettel has kept going, Alonso, Webber,Button etc. Toto is not a well man right now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Nobody, Lineker included thinks Abu Dhabi was the entire championship...Lineker simply used one race/GP/incident to make a point, albeit a point that was too balck and white....but it was deliberately black and white. He's no fool. Filks reading too much int his deliberate/intentional exaggeration



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Not sure how either him or Shearer have any credibility the way they glossed over Sterling's dive in the euros this summer.



  • Registered Users Posts: 272 ✭✭mary 2021


    He is a double crossing little turd he too k the knee for BLM & then took the same knee to Prince Charles for a knighthood. the sirs & the lords i believe were the original slavers and colonial ists .. He needs to decide which knee is telling the truth !! Ha ha ha i love a woke hypocrite they debunk every movement when its about sugar lumps for themselves. |Champagne socialist living in Monaco so glad they tricked him out of the title he was a pain in the ass with his politics, and his knight hood proves it was all for show.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,111 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    We have a Let's Talk about Lewis thread for throwing sh1t at Lewis's personal life. This thread is for the Abu Dhabi racing alone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 55,600 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    With all due respect this post is a pile of turd!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Anjobe


    You don't see the irony of focusing on one contentious incident in a very black and white way, rather than the game as a whole?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,561 ✭✭✭JeffKenna


    Not really no, that was an incident during a knock out game, not an incident during a league game. If it were the last game of a premiership season then I could see irony.



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