Turning Left in a left turn lane

"You are intending to change direction, but are you intending to alter course? It's the latter that requires indication. As I said, a court would have to decide if turning left while in a left turn only lane is altering course"

The law requires you to indicate when altering course, and, also when turning left or right.

Why are you concentrating on Road Traffic (Signs) (Amendment) Regulations 2012 amendment to the 1997 Regulations?, the particular point/wording you are enquiring about deals specifically with over taking on the left, not any requirements as to indicating when turning

The 1964 Regulations are long repealed, the correct regulations are the Road Traffic (Traffic and Parking) Regulations 1997 and the Road Traffic (Lighting of Vehicles) Regulations 1963 which deal with the matter, but they essentially have the same effect.

The wording of the SI is not relevant in relation to the general requirements of indicating when turning left or right or altering course because it applies specifically to overtaking on the left.

"Has" is not past tense if that is what you are suggesting? Both "has" and "is" are present tense

This is really simple, and I can't believe it's taken six pages to get to this point. GM228 is correct.

Spook_ie asked "Do people need to indicate turning left when in a left turning lane?"

SI No. 182 of 1997 is the main legislation and very clearly answers his question: Yes, a driver must signal either with his indicator or a hand signal.

In SI 182/1997, regulation 18, Signals by Drivers

"18. (1) A driver intending to slow down, stop, or alter course, shall either give a signal by using a direction indicator or stop lamp, as appropriate, or give the appropriate hand signal set out in Table A in the Second Schedule.

(2) A driver shall indicate the direction in which the vehicle is to be driven to a member of the Garda Síochána by giving either a signal by using a direction indicator or the appropriate hand signal set out in Table B in the Second Schedule.

(3) A driver shall give a signal in sufficient time before altering course and in such a manner as to be clearly visible and clearly understood by those for whom such signal is intended.

(4) A driver shall not give simultaneous contradictory signals."

This is non-negotiable. It's not contingent on what lane the driver is in, or whether there's a cyclist nearby or overtaking on the left. It's really simple: if a driver intends to alter course, they must signal using a direction indicator or the appropriate hand signal.

SI 332/2012 is just an amendment that provides additional details in the specific circumstances of a cyclist overtaking on the left, identifying what the cyclist may do in the context of whether the driver of the vehicle has signalled (as he/she is already required to do under reg 18 of SI 182/1997). The 2012 amendment does not need to repeat the format of how the driver is required to indicate because this has already been explained in reg 18 of the main legislation of 1997.

Reg 16 of SI 332/2012 substituted the following into SI 182/1997 ("the Principal Regulations"), replacing what was formerly there, so that Reg 10 (5) of SI 182/1997 now reads as follows:

"(5)(a) A driver (other than a pedal cyclist) may only overtake on the left—

(i) where the driver of the vehicle about to be overtaken has signalled an intention to turn to the right and the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after overtaking, to go straight ahead or turn to the left,

(ii) where the driver of the overtaking vehicle intends, after overtaking, to turn to the left at the next road junction and has signalled this intention, or

(iii) in slow-moving traffic, when vehicles in the traffic lane on the driver’s right are moving more slowly than the overtaking vehicle,

(b) A pedal cyclist may overtake on the left where vehicles to the pedal cyclist’s right are stationary or are moving more slowly than the overtaking pedal cycle, except where the vehicle to be overtaken—

(i) has signalled an intention to turn to the left and there is a reasonable expectation that the vehicle in which the driver has signalled an intention to turn to the left will execute a movement to the left before the cycle overtakes the vehicle,

(ii) is stationary for the purposes of permitting a passenger or passengers to alight or board the vehicle, or

(iii) is stationary for the purposes of loading or unloading."

So all of this is now in the same (amended) principal regulations (SI 182/1997) and anyone who is in doubt about how a driver should signal when reading the (newly substituted) reg 10(5) merely has to go further down the page to see in reg 18 (unchanged from the outset) that it's by a direction indicator or hand signal.

(Good grief - the lack of capacity to format posts nicely in this new interface is incredibly frustrating!)

Learning difficulties are par for the course with taxi drivers 🙃

Nothing to do with what the guards do as they will wash their hands of it. If an insurance company contests a claim where someone admittedly didn’t indicate when taking a left turn and had an accident as result, then they would get their arse handed to them. Simple as that.

I think it's more the damn ticking noise, unbearable!

You are leaving that lane when you turn left around the corner

I find that my dipped headlights provide far less illumination of the road ahead than my full beams and I find this very annoying so I drive around with full beams on all the time as I care only about myself and what I like.*

*Joking, of course but you can see how it could apply to the same mentality of not using your indicators as to do so can apparently be annoying enough to warrant not using them when they should be used.