Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII Read OP For Mod Warnings

bokale · 17-12-2021 1:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336829#Comment_118336829

Yeah reading anecdotal stories from London and seems hard not to end up with it if you're anywhere near it.

Richard Hillman · 17-12-2021 1:51pm

Seems like MM is getting pushback from his own party on it. I do find it amazing how there hasn't been a leadership challenge

Red Silurian · 17-12-2021 1:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336857#Comment_118336857

London cases are kicking off, 23k cases yesterday, over 50% of them are omicron, 9k was the average last week for comparison, hospitalisations increasing slightly also

freshpopcorn · 17-12-2021 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336890#Comment_118336890

I don't really know because I don't believe a lot of the FF TD's would be one's for buying into these restrictions.

However they might be hoping to keep their seat next time around by telling the pensioner's they kept them safe because its the only way I can see people voting for them.

Penfailed · 17-12-2021 1:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335692#Comment_118335692

Ha! Nah, you replied at 1am...I was catching zeds.

Red Silurian · 17-12-2021 1:59pm

Just in case anybody is wondering about timelines today, the party leaders are meeting NPHET at midday (ongoing as I speak) and the covid sub-comittee is meeting at 1:30. Presumably there will be an address to the nation at about 6pm by our fearless leader

lawred2 · 17-12-2021 1:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336811#Comment_118336811

But seriously, what else would you expect from career medics like these?

If the government were to go on the advice of medics for everything, then you could imagine the type of policy government would have suggested for them... No cars, no alcohol, no cigarettes, no activity with a degree of risk.. mountain biking, paragliding, sky jumping etc etc any physical contact in sport would be heavily questioned etc etc

The issue here is that government has got itself into a knot whereby these medics are the sole source of advice. There's no balance whatsoever.

That's before you get into the personality stuff. Tony Holohan has his own axes to grind and he's grinding them.

lawred2 · 17-12-2021 2:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336890#Comment_118336890

Too late. They are all squirming now worried about their seats. They should have been pushing back last Spring when summer was being taken away again.

Floppybits · 17-12-2021 2:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336934#Comment_118336934

Martins slow opening policy from the summer is coming back to bite him now. He should have opened up during the summer once all the over 60's and other vulnerable people were vaccinated. The failure to do that has led to this position. Time now for Martin to stand up and say no more restrictions.

kirk. · 17-12-2021 2:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336504#Comment_118336504

I don't Iike your phraseology😁 but why are they messing with hospitality so much ?

This whole thing puts me off government.

I've got idiots controlling my life

Red Silurian · 17-12-2021 2:14pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336934#Comment_118336934

Lisa Chambers, Barry Cowan, Dilly O Wee and Regina Doherty all publicly opposed to these changes

17-12-2021 2:16pm

https://youtu.be/BPCjC543llU

Spanish Eyes · 17-12-2021 2:18pm

The opposition have not opposed any measures either. SF can be high in the polls, and good luck to them but they are playing along with every restriction too, unless they have a different Covid restriction policy that I am unaware of. Same goes for Labour and Independents, PBP, Soc Dems etc.

So there is no point getting angry, as I have already said resistance is futile.

Danno · 17-12-2021 2:22pm

It's high time in this country that a Taoiseach publicly addressed the nation and put the gauntlet down to the HSE. You've 2 years to get the healthcare system sorted or we're privatising the whole lot. Time the head honchos had the gauntlet thrown down to them. Look at what we spend on health (6th highest in the OECD per capita) and look at the shít we get for our money.

Red Silurian · 17-12-2021 2:23pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118337021#Comment_118337021

Hopefully this is the straw that breaks the camels back then

A SF led government would have implemented more widespread antigen testing and probably would have improved the quality of our hospitals so they probably wouldn't have needed these latest restrictions as we would be in a better place COVID-wise now

CruelSummer · 17-12-2021 2:23pm

Be careful of the tricks NPHET are up to. Remember the summer? They said close indoor dining unless the Government introduce the vaccine pass.

Some people and TD’s calling for ‘boosted only’ allowed to socialise…so another little section of society - the doubly vaccinated shut out despite stepping forward for two shots…and possibly their age groups not being called yet

kirk. · 17-12-2021 2:23pm

This booster nonsense is beyond a joke now

Young people getting vaccinated again 3 months after the last for something they probably don't even notice

noraos · 17-12-2021 2:26pm

https://globalgapa.org/index.php/2020/03/27/gapc-2020-in-dublin-ireland/

''In his opening speech the Health Minister, Simon Harris TD, inspired the delegates to do the right thing and join Ireland in their important journey toward stronger alcohol policies. He described the extent of alcohol industry lobbying and media pressure to oppose the Public Health (Alcohol) Act and the important role played by civil society in ensuring its passage: “When the public health lobby get together, we can achieve great things,” Harris said.''

This is why they are messing with hospitality.. I sound like a CT nut now.. but clearly there is an agenda against pubs and licensed premises..

PS they was held in March 2020, 340 attended from 47 countries. What the actual FK.. and 1st of March they shut a school down for 14 days.. so covid was very much here

“When the public health lobby get together, we can achieve great things,” Harris said.'' this line here sounds so ominous! - actually kind of scary considering the amount of power they have now..

Danno · 17-12-2021 2:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118337048#Comment_118337048

Yes, they need another divide and conquer strategy now. The unvaccinated are yesterday's pin a tail on the donkey.

redlad12 · 17-12-2021 2:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336085#Comment_118336085

I agree with all your post except I feel like throughout the pandemic Sinn Fein have always leaned on actually tightening restrictions. The politicians will base all these decisions on opinion polls and flip flop as much as they have to in order to stay in or gain power.

Luxembourgo · 17-12-2021 2:29pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118337064#Comment_118337064

Harris is a Soc Dem is FG clothes, zero time for him. No interest in hard decisions or responsibility

MOH · 17-12-2021 2:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118336530#Comment_118336530

October 2020 the 3-day and 7-day averages had all peaked and begun a sharp decline days before level 5 was unneccessarily introduced. At least half of the total decrease in cases between then and December was down to the pre-level 5 measures.

But they needlessly put everyone in lockdown for 6 weeks, then boasted about how we were the best in Europe as they opened everything up at the busiest time of the year, with zero effective restrictions on inbound travel, not even a test requirement. Genius.

SEPT 23 1989 · 17-12-2021 2:35pm

we are really only at the beginning of the pandemic according to Red Faced Ryan of the WHO

THE_SHEEP · 17-12-2021 2:41pm

The amount of " Me Feiners " on this thread , says it all really . ( Sigh 🙄 ) .

CorkRed93 · 17-12-2021 2:43pm

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1471833524487475203

can they go 1 day without taking the general public for idiots?

17-12-2021 2:43pm

I know I'm invoking Godwin's Law, but honestly, I used to think "How the hell did the German's all go along with Hitler back in the day?".

I'm starting to understand.

I'm not comparing anyone to nazis or anything of the sort. I'm just observing how ridiculous and nonsensical restrictions are embraced and obeyed by a population and how dissenting voices are punished or shunned.

If, in 2019, you suggested to anyone we would be in the situation we are in, you would say that Charlie Brooker had released a new Black Mirror.

Am I the only one that remembers the videos of chinese people dropping dead in the street? That terrified me. I don't think that was true.

Dying WITH Covid is not the same as dying OF covid. I don't trust the figures. Any rational person couldn't.

Vaccines will be our way out. Wear a mask. Dont wear a mask. Schools are safe. Schools are safe if they wear a mask. Kids shouldnt wear a mask. Schools need to have their windows open. But not too open. Kids are safe. Vaccinate the kids. Open the pubs once you have a cert to get in. Certs are only for international travel. Eat a €9 meal and you can have a pint. Close the nightclubs. Open the nighclubs but only until 12. Pubs can open until 9. Wear your mask. Pubs close at 5. Work from home.

I'm disillusioned now. I was obedient. I did what was asked. I trusted that we were being told the truth. We were all in it together.

Fuck them now.

17-12-2021 2:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118337174#Comment_118337174

People can be manipulated into anything, for a while at least.

Floppybits · 17-12-2021 2:46pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118337169#Comment_118337169

Ah aren't they great. Can't believe they think people will fall for this. Martin needs to tell Holohan to sling his hook, Holohan has given his opinion now the government can say thanks Tony but not this time.