Spider-Man: No Way Home spoilers from post 185

dreamers75 · 16-12-2021 10:10am

Wasnt happy they didnt do the meme and was that the smallest cameo ever for Hank Pym in the cafe at the end?

Niska · 16-12-2021 1:08pm

Well that was great. I'll see it again on Saturday and see how I feel about it then.

There's a mid credit scene

Eddie (Tom Hardy not Topher grace) and Venom

and a Post Credit one too

Teaser for next Dr Strange movie

GSPfan · 16-12-2021 1:10pm

With the movie now released can we get rid of the spoiler tags?

The smart move here would be to get Andrew Garfield back for a third movie and have Venom somehow show up due to some multiverse shenanigans. That way Sony get their Spiderman back and they can give Marvel the Tom Holland version.

Into The Spiderverse proved that people totally understand the multiverse logic so having two Spidermen existing in different universes is now not a problem.

I think audiences will want Garfield back after what we seen in No Way Home. I think he deserves it as well.

bennyl10 · 16-12-2021 5:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118330368#Comment_118330368

But is now in this universe? at least the symbiote is. Doesn't need to be any multiverse stuff anymore

johnny_ultimate · 16-12-2021 6:20pm

Credit where credit is due: this is probably the most enjoyable and substantial of the Spider-Man MCU films. And extra credit where extra credit is due: after the miserable fan service ouroboros that was Ghostbusters Afterlife, this handles its callbacks better. I mean, it’s still a fan service ouroboros, but at least it’s not miserable. A plot is built around all these familiar faces, and almost all of them have multiple scenes and at least something to do (even if it’s clear the actors behind two particular returning, CG-heavy villains probably had about 2 hours total on an actual set / recording booth). Holland and Zendaya are too old to pass for high schoolers at this stage, but they do have actual chemistry which helps sets the stakes here.

The problem with it is the same as most MCU films: direction. Not plot direction - the actual nuts and bolts filmmaking. It’s perhaps even more pronounced here that we’re calling back to the Raimi Spider-Man films. While I still much prefer that particular take on Spidey than the wise-cracking high schooler here, it was ultimately Raimi’s vibrant direction that made those films the best live action Marvel films to date. Watts, alas, is no Raimi. While there’s more emotional and character heft here than the previous two films, it’s all blandly directed with no particular spark. The action is flat, the staging insipid, and the whole thing cloaked in ugly CG to the point where I often wondered how many of the actors were even in the same place. Even at the end, there was nice little visual moments to cut to black on, but even those were followed by more redundant epilogues. There’s just no oomph to the filmmaking. At least it’s coherent, which is more than I was expecting from a film with so many moving parts and extended universe nonsense.

Still: at least it delivers what it teased it would. It doesn’t deliver anything more than that really (it’s basically as straightforward a take on a ‘multiverse’ as you could imagine), and certainly nothing to match the joyous aesthetic ingenuity of Into The Spiderverse. But it’s undeniably good to see a lot of these characters and actors back, even relatively briefly. It has the same problems as many MCU films - there’s one ‘witty’ banter scene near the big, boring action climax that goes on for far, far longer than it needs to, and most of the jokes land flat. The constant winking and nodding at the audience frequently gets too much. And yes we’re covering the same thematic and character ground yet again. But as an avalanche of all things Cinematic Spider-Man it does its job, even if it does unavoidably serve as a reminder of how much better these kinds of films could be not so long ago.

PTH2009 · 17-12-2021 4:42am

How did Norman Osborn ie Green Goblin and Electro come back to Life ? If resurrection is possible in the mutliverse then we could seen the return of Tony Stark/Iron Man etc

Busi_Girl08 · 17-12-2021 10:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335009#Comment_118335009

It was explained that they were taken from the point before their Spiderman killed them (or at least what they thought was going to happen). So Electro was taken at the point Gar-Spidey and Gwen overloaded the grid, Lizard was taken maybe just before he cured him? Otto was taken during their battle on the river, Goblin before he was impaled by his own glider, and Sandman before he drifted away after making piece with Spidey Maguire.

In any case, the reaction in my screen when Garfield and Maguire appeared was absolutely electric. Delighted that they pulled it off and it was a great fan service (the scene where Garfield saved MJ was really sweet.

A few things I'm confused about re the ending though - so everyone has forgotten Peter Parker, but not Spiderman. So does that mean Spiderman was still with the Avengers during Infinity War/End Game etc - but they just have no idea who he was?

Will Dr Strange remember casting the spell and why he cast it - or is that going to be part of his confusion going into MVOM?

And why did Electro get a makeover? Was is it the different power he was absorbing?

Stone Deaf 4evr · 17-12-2021 3:33pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335658#Comment_118335658

I cant spoiler tag on the new site, but regarding your query as to why electro looked different. I assume its probably because they saw it as an opportunity to correct the awful version presented previously, or maybe Jamie foxx wanted it, in order to agree to appear, its been shown in trailers, but the flash of lightning around his head is very much a nod to his comic costume.

pixelburp · 17-12-2021 3:47pm

Regarding spoilers, the villains were always extremely prominent in every trailer, poster, photograph and so on. I don't think there's a need to spoiler-tag discussion around their presence or appearance; if someone's genuinely surprised to see Doc Ock return then fair play for avoiding the internet 😂 Their actions or paths within the story, sure. But not anything foundational.

Agent Coulson · 17-12-2021 6:09pm

While waiting for the end credit stinger I saw Screen Ireland and The Government of Ireland got thank you credits.

Spoiler for final end credit stinger.

I wondering is this linked to Wandavision which also gave them credits and a thank you. So I do wonder were the scenes with Wanda filmed in Ireland which was speculated about in the Wandavison series thread or do Disney have a tax haven address in Ireland through the Irish Film Board.

bennyl10 · 17-12-2021 6:15pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118338657#Comment_118338657

Pretty neat reason actually

https://entertainment.ie/tv/on-demand-news/irish-government-logo-wandavision-477465/

Agent Coulson · 17-12-2021 6:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118338689#Comment_118338689

Ah very cool.

Agent Coulson · 17-12-2021 6:30pm

Well the pandemic doesn't seem to have effected it at the box office as it seems to be setting box office records all over the world.

flazio · 17-12-2021 7:33pm

I saw some nice nods to the 2018 videogame as well, especially around the major plot point they both share.

When Peter is looking down on dying May I'm sure the framing was made to look exactly like the videogame Peter as May lay on the hospital bed, also the inscription on her gravestone is the exact same here as it is in the videogame.

AMKC · 17-12-2021 9:16pm

I went to see this today and all I can say is thank fook it was only 6euro's I paid to see it. Worst film I have seen all year in fact I would say its one of the worst films I have ever seen. The acting is brutal in it its liked they all phoned it in. Its 30 mins too long. Absolutely nothing happens for the first 25 to 30minutes. The fight scenes especially the last one is all over the place and the while film is just so dull and tedious with mo humour at all. I will be kind and give it 2 stars out of 10.

The White Wolf · 17-12-2021 9:25pm

Now that Peter has to be self reliant again, down to even making his own suit, it would be amazing if Charlie Cox's Daredevil served as a friend and ally. I'd really like to see Spidey go back to street level heroics and this seems to be the way they're going.

Need a Username · 17-12-2021 11:16pm

Can’t figure out how to do spoilers tags on this new site if you haven’t seen the movie don’t read my post

I went this evening. Irish audiences have no life and never laugh at comedies so when the place erupted in cheering and applause at the appearance of the “special guest” followed by more for the other “special guest” it made the moment so much better.

It is such a great movie - I wish that the death had not happened but it was heartbreaking scene brilliantly done.

I have a feeling I was the only person to know who the lawyer is.

EDIT: actually during the two moments of cheering at the cinema I could a little kid calling out the two actors’ names. Another priceless moment. I am so glad I didn’t know it was going to happen. I thought the acknowledgment that there others was as far as it would go

Need a Username · 17-12-2021 11:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118339876#Comment_118339876

I like it when SpiderMan is helping the regular folks and I’m very glad he has this lawyer friend. :)

Need a Username · 17-12-2021 11:22pm

BTW, I thought SpiderMan didn’t exist in the Venom movie - I haven’t seen the second one yet - so how did Eddie Brock get pulled to the MCU ?

flazio · 17-12-2021 11:43pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118340488#Comment_118340488

Post credit scene in Venom 2. I haven't seen the film myself either but I have seen the scene.

Need a Username · 17-12-2021 11:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118340621#Comment_118340621

Okay cool. I will be watching it over Christmas.

Need a Username · 18-12-2021 12:01am

Again a spoiler warning - if someone could tell me how to do spoiler tags I would appreciate it.

just now the “working as a team” moment was in my head and the reaction of the other Spideys to Spidey being an Avenger is priceless. Maguire’s Peter 2’s genuine delight and positivity despite not knowing what an Avenger is and Garfield’s Peter 3’s “are you in a band” - brilliant.

to be honest, all their moments together are priceless - “I want to fight aliens” :)

As MJ fell I knew Peter 3 would be the one to save her. A lovely moment from Garfield when they were on the ground

EoinMcLovin · 18-12-2021 12:17am

For those still not able to do spoiler tags, highlight the text and click the icon in the above image and then click on '' symbol

Squaredude · 18-12-2021 1:14am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118340454#Comment_118340454

I enjoy when theres a bit of atmosphere and reaction to big moments but the group that were in my screen yesterday ruined the movie for me. Screaming and shouting and practically jumping out of their seats when absolutely anything happened, pretty sure some had already seen the movie or read spoilers as they started reacting at the start of signifcant scenes rather than at the moment something happened. And the lad sitting behind me narrating/explaining the entire movie to his friend was pretty annoying

Need a Username · 18-12-2021 1:18am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118335658#Comment_118335658

Regarding Spidey at the Endgame battle, it isn’t that they didn’t know who he was at the time, it is that they have forgot.

Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness was originally supposed to come out first. I don’t know why this changed but both films were adjusted for No Way Home to be able to be released first.

So I don’t think that the spell going wrong in this movie is what leads to the events in Doctor Strange 2 - meaning Strange forgetting Parker isn’t an issue.

OwaynOTT · 18-12-2021 1:38am

How was Tom hardy sucked in? He doesn’t know peter Parker from Adam?

macslash · 18-12-2021 1:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341085#Comment_118341085

Post credit scene in Venom 2 sets it up.

DrumSteve · 18-12-2021 2:48am

I actually quite enjoyed that.

Id almost forgotten how good of an actor Willem Defoe is too.

wanderer100 · 18-12-2021 3:31am

Went to go see it tonight and it surprisingly lived up to all the hype and expectation !! Really enjoyed it all the way as there was never a dull moment where my mind would wander off which is what tends to happen to me if I don’t enjoy a movie.

The introduction of all the villains and heros was especially brilliant and had the room break into cheer, which just made the scenes so much more memorable for me personally

Already planning to go see it again in a couple of days time and I’m looking forward to it just as much as I was before tonight !!

Need a Username · 18-12-2021 5:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341014#Comment_118341014

That sounds like some set out to be disruptive which is pathetic.

I’ve experienced the running commentary in cinemas before as well as general loud conversations. I don’t tolerate it - if they stop after I ask nicely then I get someone from the staff to tell them stop.

OwaynOTT · 18-12-2021 10:04am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341132#Comment_118341132

Doesn’t answer the how it happened though. The internal logic is they were drawn in because they know Peter Parker was Spider-Man no?

pah · 18-12-2021 11:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341466#Comment_118341466

In venom 2 I believe...

The symbiote tells Eddie they have access to all the knowledge of all the symbiotes across the universe and the multiverse and that his brain couldn't handle it. He gives Eddie a taste of this at the same time the room transforms around them indicating they have been pulled to the MCU Verse. Presumably they're are many symbiotes that know about Peter Parker.

steve_r · 18-12-2021 11:40am

Overall like and enjoyed it, was my favorite of the Tom Holland films.

However, I would say that it shows the quality of the original Raimi films - effectively structuring the plot of this whole film around the characters from that franchise.

I'm not a fan of Cumberbatch as Doctor Strange and I thought the logic of that whole plot point didn't work - Peter Parker is young and would make mistakes but surely Strange should have a bit more cop on regarding a college application? Loved seeing the originals as well as Charlie Cox. I liked the ending - it gives the character a fresh start - I'd rather have a Spider-man that people don't know the identity of rather than someone everyone knows. I was never a big fan of the big Avengers/Iron Man connection that this Spider-man has so glad to see that removed for a while.

Need a Username · 18-12-2021 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118341772#Comment_118341772

Strange assumed (as most people do about things) that such things are common knowledge and thought Parker (especially someone of his intelligence) had come to him after exhausting all other options - including pleading his and his friends’ case to the admission office of MIT.

He made a big deal of that after containing the spell. It was the reason Strange was so pissed at Parker.

It is a fairly common thing in life - that because you know something and are used to to it then you will think everyone knows it.

johnny_ultimate · 18-12-2021 2:23pm

Mod note: The film’s been out a few days now so no need for spoiler tags from here on out.

Proceed with caution if you haven’t seen the film yet.

SimonTemplar · 18-12-2021 5:18pm

I really enjoyed it and admired its storytelling, character work and just the sheer logistics of being able to pull this off something this ambitious. It reminded me of my initial reaction to Avengers Assemble in its ability to do something on a huge storytelling scale previously never done before and not end up being a complete mess. The movie also has a lot of heart which it important for a movie of this genre.

My main criticism is the action direction which I felt was a bit pedestrian and lacking the flair and style of someone like Sam Raimi, for example.

I still love the movie though.

Agent Coulson · 18-12-2021 8:12pm

I really think after watching this The Amazing Spider-Man deserves to be able to complete his trilogy now.

SimonTemplar · 18-12-2021 8:45pm

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I was listening to the Empire podcast and they are speculating that Sony might want to make a third Garfield Spiderman movie given how well received his appearance was in this movie. I hope so to be honest. He was a great Spiderman who was unfortunately let down by the scripts. He deserves a second chance.

flazio · 18-12-2021 9:31pm

Regardless of whether it's with Holland or Garfield, I'd really like to see a good Felicia Hardy/Black Cat story. I imagine the reason Sony/Marvel are reluctant to use her is audience reaction to what may be perceived to be a Cat Woman rip-off. Never the less I thought she had a good story in the Spider-man videogame DLC and would love to get a proper live action Black Cat.

Now back to this movie, if there's one small complaint I have, and I can understand why as there was a lot to cram in, is that J Jonah was underused in this. Also it seems from audience reactions the "I'm a bit of a scientist myself" line from Osborn was a big funny easter egg. I don't get it. Could somebody explain please?

johnny_ultimate · 18-12-2021 9:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344311#Comment_118344311

The Osborn line is a line he says when he meets Peter early in Spider-Man 1.

SimonTemplar · 18-12-2021 9:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344334#Comment_118344334

And it has since turned into a meme.

Need a Username · 18-12-2021 11:47pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118343041#Comment_118343041

The action scenes were fantastic - no idea what you mean by “pedestrian” - light years ahead of the Raimi trilogy (which was great at the time - not putting it down)

SimonTemplar · 19-12-2021 12:12am

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I was specifically thinking of the camera work during the action scenes in Spider-Man 2 compared to this film, especially the excellent train fight in Raimi's movie. I'm not saying the action scenes in No Way Home were bad necessarily, but I felt they were lacking some more visual flair and innovation rather than the standard swinging, catching and explosions. The fight with Strange is an exception but even that style was influenced by Scott Derrickson's direction from his movie. The character work in the final battle was the main positive of that sequence rather than the action direction. This is just what I felt watching it. Of course other people will think differently.

johnny_ultimate · 19-12-2021 12:48am

The action scenes are the same as any other Marvel film - blandly lit, overbusy, weightless. They could’ve been directed by anyone - in fact, they probably were largely made by a second unit or effects team as is Marvel norm.

In contrast, this scene from the Raimi films remains probably the single greatest action scene in any major superhero film: somehow bloodless but just incredibly brutal. The camera choices are chosen to emphasise the action, to underline the violence. Like the camera on the ground, lingering as a character literally scrapes the floor in desperation to hold on? The sudden, frantic crash zooms? Brilliant and nasty.

https://youtu.be/Cz-17z44F6g

There’s nothing of the sort in No Way Home - just more anonymous CG melees. The apartment fight is fine, but again not a patch on the best scenes from the Raimi films. The finale is just an indistinct mess of flailing bodies.

I actually think this is one of the better MCU films just for novelty alone, just to stress. But none of these films so far have action scenes that feel as impactful as what Raimi managed two decades ago. The bland action is more noteworthy than ever here as we’ve seen several of these exact characters in excellent, vibrant action scenes before :)

Need a Username · 19-12-2021 6:58am

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I thought you VFX and stunt work. I cannot remember the Raimi movies well enough to either agree or disagree with camera work.

I do have a criticism of the big action showdown myself and it is the same one I have for most superhero movies including Raimi’s trilogy, DC and other MCUs - and that is that it is set at nighttime.

enough with that already - it only works and looks good in a Batman movie. I just didn’t mention it before because at least this time it was wasn’t follow the action and who was who - except for Peter 2 and 3 but that was really because I couldn’t have told the suits sort even if it had been a daytime fight.

santana75 · 19-12-2021 11:12am

Saw it last night and overall its decent enough. Its being compared to Into the spiderverse and I understand why but its not nearly as good as that film. It has its moments though and it's well worth a trip to the cinema. Best thing about it though are the three spiderman, Andrew Grafield In particular. I never really gave his time as spiderman much of any attention, he kind of slipped by really without notice, but here he's really good. Anytime he wasn't on screen you wished he was.

All in all its a decent movie though.

cena · 19-12-2021 12:01pm

I was happy to see the two other spidermen back

The White Wolf · 19-12-2021 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118344052#Comment_118344052

They could save themselves a lot of bother and just make Garfield the Spider-Man of their Sony verse and let Feige do his thing with MCU Spidey.

That way Sony have a Spider-Man who will suit the "edgyness" of their approach with the solo villain films and also a suitable Peter Parker who can serve as a mentor when they make that decision to introduce Morales.

GSPfan · 19-12-2021 3:12pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118346088#Comment_118346088

100% agree. If Garfield wanted to do it then Sony should sign him up to do at least 1 more Spiderman movie and possibly use that as an introduction to Miles Morales. Then you do a trilogy of Miles movies with all the villains.

They should give Tom Holland to Disney but only allow him to do non-Spiderman solo movies.

rtron · 19-12-2021 5:52pm

The one thing that put me off liking this movie was the same thing in avengers 2.

In age of Ultron, the avengers were responsible for creating Ultron. And was they're own mess that had to be cleaned up.

Strange and Spiderman created the multiverse bad guy mess that had to be cleaned up. It was a let down in the story for me.

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