Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

The fourth dose of a vaccine will solve all our problems. I’m sure of it.

There will be no more arguments about the effectiveness of these covid vaccines. Pubs and restaurants will be allowed to stay open, as long as their customers are those with at least 4 doses of any covid vaccine. It’s such a simple goal. Vaccinated populations, continually, is achievable. m

All it takes is a little “we are all in this together”.

2 weeks to flatten the fourteenth curve and I guarantee you, our politicians will show their worth.

Please just keep following the science.

Vaccines are freedom.

we are being told that 2 doses of AstraZeneca or 1 Jansen are almost useless against Omicron, but 1 mRNA makes that good and checks the box for the all important Covid cert.

But for a ‘new entrant’ 1 mRNA on its own is not good enough, and for the rest of us 2 jabs aren’t good enough because of Omicron, but a 3rd does the trick almost completely. Of course without no. 3, no more covid cert.

So the number of shots don’t matter, all that matters is how long ago you had it, we’re going to have essentially mandatory (possibly actually mandatory) boosters every 3 to 6 months, for everyone regardless of risk. It’s completely insane.

Worked in 3 hospitals this week.

Definitely not anywhere near overrun or stressed.

Staff laughing, chatting and generally calm.

The majority of people have been listening to RTE etc every day pushing this health system overrun nonsense.

The hospitals are coping fine. Like they do every winter. Yes it's harder but they get it done.

I'm guessing you weren't working in a health care capacity.

An no-one is 'pushing this health system overrun nonsense'.

That has yet to come.

It's unfortunate.... that people are loosing hours and pay coming into Christmas? Obvious you don't work in affected businesses.

The way it was leaked (5pm closing) was disgusting again. Leaks like that cause undue stress to already stressed people.

I don;t think anyone is under the illusion that they won't be closed or restricted further in a week/2 weeks etc... just adds more uncertainty

Is table 6 here any help?

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/br/b-cdc/covid-19deathsandcasesseries38/

Median age in ICU is 50-60.

That is of all in ICU.

Same as it comes every year and has done since well before COVID

The pricks that keep letting it happen have a convenient excuse for it now though.

I’m fairly confident that in years to come, we’ll look back at this pandemic and be embarrassed by every decision and every reaction taken. I’m no tinfoil nut job, got two vaccines and will probably get the booster because I’m not a paranoid freak but at the same time I do feel a massive exaggeration with this pandemic… internet hysteria and the doom and gloom news cycle we absorb mostly to blame. We’re victims of the times we live in more than the virus itself.

Such a clueless post. Sure there are people like that but not many. There are many, many people who just want to ride this thing out without affecting others. There are many people who want to protect our awful health system so anybody with an emergency issue can get a bed in ICU. There are many, many people who want to avoid this virus as best they can and protect their families.

I'd guess you don't have children and don't understand how important family is to most.

There are many people like you too who have never had a difficult period in their lives and are unable to deal with it. It's not really that hard, get books to read, contact your friends by phone or video call.

If you really need to party then have a bit of responsibility and don't go near anybody until you are sure you haven't picked up anything.

A friend of mine got tested today because his son went to a party and then went home to visit his parents two days later and then found out he has Omicron.

Ride it out for how long though? There is plenty of unseen collateral damage involved in all of this. It isn't as simple as just hold firm, ride it out or whatever platitude of the day is being peddled.

The mental health of some people is in tatters and this can take a long time to recover from, especially with the pitiful excuse for mental health support we have in this country. They talk a good game but in reality a lot of these patients will be priced out of private help and the public support on offer just isn't good enough. Nobody wants the health service to be overwhelmed but people can't make sacrifices indefinitely either or there will be plenty of other casualties. You may not see them but they are there.

I will probably get backlash for this but me personally I think the amount of people dying with covid isn’t important. 30,000 people die in Ireland every year and very little is mentioned about that. A lot of those who have died with covid over the past 2 years would have died by now due to other causes, of course there are out liars and of course every death is a tragic experience for the families but this is the reality of the type of people who are dying.

Now that being said, I definitely think that if the hospitals got to a point of being over run and people were dying because of inadequate care or a lack of ICU beds then that is where we should draw the line. This is completely unacceptable. But I think natural deaths from covid should be treated like any other death, and not be mentioned in mainstream media.

It doesn’t get talked about much but I think its a fairly reasonable opinion to view natural deaths with covid as acceptable, and deaths from inadequate care as unacceptable.

The problem with people suffering from mental health issues is that the support they were getting pre-covid probably wasn't very good and it's unlikely to be much better post-covid. In the meantime, some of the coping mechanisms or self-supports they have leaned on will be far less freely available to them due to restrictions etc. When covid is over they will still be struggling and a lot of them will be in an even worse position than before. As such, it can be a little irritating (to say the least) to hear others say things like "get on with it" or "do it for the greater good" etc. The fact of the matter is that restrictions can be hugely difficult for some people and to see that occasionally dismissed is akin to hearing a person who suffers from depression be told to snap out of it. I'm not sure I know the answer but years of on and off restrictions can amount to a lot of suffering for some and that's why I don't feel it's all as a simple as "do whatever it takes for as long as it takes"

So if yesterdays cases were 35% omicron that’s 2000 cases in people who caught it 6 days ago ( 2 days incubation 1 day symptoms 1 day to get test 1 day to get result.).

If the doubling time is two days ( which it probably isn’t) then 8000 people would be in the numbers with omicron in four days time if everything else was equal. However I’d say they aren’t catching all cases so there could be three times that going around with omicron right now and it’s increasing rapidly.

I think testing capacity will be maxed out by Christmas Eve.

Irish Times reporting that no indication of the severity of restrictions was given by NPHET at the Tuesday meeting with government leaders. The main purpose of the meeting was to ensure no surprises yesterday/today.

How many times now have NPHET pulled this stunt? (And of course don’t forget the obligatory leaking to the media beforehand to ensure maximum pressure)

This is a classic Tony power play, he really revels in this game of giving sick reminders of who’s really in charge and **** with peoples minds and lives is just collateral damage. Our political leaders are gormless fools unfortunately, ever since he came to notice during the cervical check scandal shows our cmo is a different animal.