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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Starting up in the UK now. Honestly it will not take much for really serious things to kick off soon.


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The prevalent NPHET (and Government) view appears to desire a population who will remain indoors for most of their non-productive time,as in Work then Home ,or Work from Home.

    The future,as desired by these people appears to be that Travel outside a tightly defined zone will only be permitted if your are wealthy enough to pay a hefty premium OR you are a member of the Diplomatic Corps.

    One can only hope that somebody like Micheal O'Leary will get enough head of steam up to resist these "Policies",most of which directly challenge the very principles of Freedom & Democracy.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,902 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762



    My question though is where have ANY of these protests actually worked? Governments have emergency legislation to do what they want, in the name of health, basically. Now, I don't think any of them are abusing that right, they are doing what they think is best in their situation (regardless of whether we agree with it or not). But realistically, none of the protests actually have the ability to change anything. Not in the UK, not Europe, anywhere. Its not as if anti-vaccine passport protests are going to happen and the governments of the world say "ok we won't bring them in then".

    You need far, far, FAR bigger protests and outright violence to kick out a government who isn't doing what you want, and I don't think any country is anywhere near that yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    The Africa question is now appearing more frequently as an integral part of moulding public response in the Western World.

    It is a tried & tested methodology,practiced over the decades with Famine,Civil War and inter cine strife all being a regular causative factor to unlock more Aid Funding and NGO supports for the region.

    The statistics,such as they are,appear to suggest the African Continent's Covid experience may not be identical to the European one.

    Ascribing Racism to the comparison you make is about as useful as a triple dose of Pfizer in a pandemic,and a large red herring to my mind.

    Western attempts to first Govern,then rescue various parts of the Continent have never been anywhere near successful,and Covid will not be any different.

    Totally ignoring the initial reportage and experience of the South African Medical Professionals regarding Omicron,and instead brushing aside their factual experiences in favour of wild-eyed panic inducing stuff is IMO,far more racist in tenor than our supposed lack of response to supposed Vaccination inequality.

    The bottom graph is perhaps the most interesting in terms of Covid-19 Deaths...


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    They've completely undermined the vaccination process with this. They're not going to get 100% so they need to get over that. People who can't get them for medical reasons are not going to risk their lives or health when these clowns clearly have no intention to normal. Plus this will really put people off getting vaccinated at all. And who have already been vaccinated and boostered aren't going to be in any hurry to get any more since they have given off the message that they intend to permanently keep us in some state of restrictions.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭shockframe


    Well and truly snookered themselves with the vaccine message.

    Up until last night there was some reasoning for it but that argument has taken a major setback.

    If we're facing into a 3 month severe lockdown then many right or wrong will question the worth of taking a booster. Especially when our restrictions have been one of the toughest in the continent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978


    you are not dealing with My original post

    is it right that an Irish 5 year old will soon get the jab while many poor and at risk Africans don’t even have a first jab

    it’s as simple question. And it requires a simple yes or no.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,379 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    Something is off here guys, wtf, this is from Mehole:

    When asked if a permanent team of vaccinators needs to be in place going into the future, he said: "We are going to have to work on that, yes."



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭scooby77


    Reuters reporting Dutch going into some form of lockdown, announcement 6pm local....quick Google suggests positivity rate of 24% last 7 days...we at 14% according to App...



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,303 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    My job frequently brings me into contact with a Government department, they are one of our biggest Clients.

    Although the individuals are conscientious, hard-working, nice people, there is a real culture of risk-aversion and unaccountability .They are happy to choose a more expensive and time-consuming way to do something if it reduces the risk of making a wrong decision - even if the cost of doing so far exceeds the consequences of getting something wrong.

    It is a completely different culture than a private-sector one - the incentives that drive efficiency and punish waste are completely absent. Their greatest fear is making a decision which will reflect poorly on the relevant Minister.

    This manifests itself in many ways, the people who are promoted are the most cautious, most risk-adverse.

    The response to Covid is what I see every day, just on a far greater scale. Why make a decision that has even a tiny chance of being the wrong one when you can spend billions of someone else's' money to avoid the risk?

    Make no mistake, we will all be paying for this for decades to come, our children and our grandchildren will still be paying fo this when they start working. Interest rates are only going in one direction and we are royally fcuked when our debt becomes ever more expensive to service. This is nothing to do with pubs closing early - this is our quality of services and our quality of life for years and generations to come - that is what is being played with here.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    That is something very diabolical. If not all out evil. Why does he feel the need for a permanent team of vaccinators? This is clearly set up to never end no matter how many jabs we get.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,957 ✭✭✭kirk.


    This is crazy when nothing has been done to increase ICU capacity

    Billions thrown at the health service and we can't get extra capacity so the country has to shutdown



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Make it 6 months. No way will they let us out for St. Patrick's Day or Easter.



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    The biggest issue with trying to expand health capacity in the short term is not even building new hospitals or sourcing scarce equipment and machinery - which are challenges in the themselves - but staff. It takes at least 6 years for someone to become qualified to work as a nurse or doctor, often longer. They can’t double the nursing workforce in a year, it’s not feasible. Improvements to capacity should be a medium to long term plan, they won’t help in the short term. You can argue all you like about whether previous governments should have invested more in capacity, yes, they probably should have, but those currently making the decisions must work with what they have now, and rolling out two or three times the capacity overnight is not possible in the timeframe we have. We are not a world power who can strong arm these things, we are a small island nation, sometimes people forget that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    Why? Because the current government is trying to actually be prepared for future possibilities. This is still a very new virus, a new vaccine, we simply don’t know whether or not we will need annual COVID jabs to keep immunity levels strong.

    If it turns out we do and we didn’t have the capacity to roll out quickly, you’d all be complaining here about the terrible government not planning ahead for this: “Now we have to do full lockdown while the slow rollout of jabs happens, why didn’t they prepare for this?!”

    You strike me as the same type of person who would have been complaining if we had doubled ICU capacity 5 years ago at a cost of billions, because it was wasted money which should been used on… housing, transport or some other sector that needs funding but we only have a limited amount of, even though it’s apparently so obvious to everyone now that it should have been priority 1.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    It would have been possible to teach non-specialist nurses to cover covid-specific ICU beds in under a year and then have them working under more specialist ICU nurse supervisors. Same with doctors.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    And then you leave the rest of the medical services understaffed. It’s not a viable long term solution.

    We also can’t dump all of the problems on existing nurses and doctors by working them to the bone, they’ve had the toughest time of anyone during this pandemic. We don’t want to lose them or we’ll have an even bigger mess. We need to support them in times where there is very high risk.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,123 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    it seems elbow bumps are only for the plebs, they don’t seem to be too worried about this deadly pandemic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    From that you seem to believe our government is taking instructions from Brussels. If they are then every other country must be to taking instructions from Brussels as well as their is no great difference in their approach either. But perhaps you believe somebody else is giving Brussels instructions ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    In my experience the first priority for the majority of politicians is to get re-elected. They are not going to get well paid as T.D`s if they fail to achieve that and as I said, I don`t see what the up-side for them with restrictions is. I cannot see it being a great vote getter.

    Why would any politician, let alone members of a governing cabinet be worried about Tony Holohan ? He does not have any power whatsoever, he is an adviser. The elected government make decisions, not advisors. The only way he will ever be able to make decisions is the very minimum of getting elected as a T.D. and I cannot see him even putting his name on a ballot paper. There really is a lot of nonsense on this threads about this power Tony Holohan supposedly has..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,624 ✭✭✭votecounts


    Could be a stricter lock down, more than likely will be here in a week or so.



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    California governor extended indoor mask wearing mandate another month. Omicron probably the motive.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    I heard they're putting 5g receptors in the masks in california now too. Wont be long till bill and his pizzagate buddies have complete control.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978


    The daily figures are high but still understated

    most private sector employees who are close contacts of a confirmed case or have mild symptoms will NOT take a test themselves or let their children take one in case it is shows positive and then they are out of work unpaid

    that is the harsh reality so I estimate the daily figures are understated by about a third

    so 500 in hospital and 100 in ICU does not mean much in grand scheme of things



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    That shouldn't surprise anyone at this stage. This will definitely kill the vaccination program. Why get them if they still intend to keep us in eternal lockdown?



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    You'll never get a job on NPHET modelling with that kind of guesswork, you should have doubled it! Oh and it's 400 and 100.



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    Are you making a joke? If not, where did you get this 5g receptors stuff? I am in California now. Cloth masks are worn by most Californians, except in health care. You can make them yourself to satisfy the governor's requirements. Or buy from retail vendors. There has been a fashion industry developing with cloth masks. I have a friend who is making and selling them. Many use paper surgical masks, that do not have receptors.

    I now wear N-95s. Thanks to my university employer. No receptors. Just filters developed by 3M. Early scholarly literature suggests N-95s may be needed for Omicron variation. N-95s are not mandated by California. I could wear cloth or surgical to meet my university employer requirements.

    My university mandates vaccinations for all students, staff, faculty, administration, and visitors. Masks and social distancing included. Hand washing encouraged. Must provide vaccination documentation to enter campus. For months now. This fall 2021 we did allow person-to-person instruction, replacing most online alternatives. Beyond instruction, no "Relaxation of Restrictions" planned for the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,479 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its hard to do. No **** sherlock.

    But you start somewhere, so what are they doing about it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,697 ✭✭✭Allinall




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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    Remember Irelands call? Remind me how many got recruited in that drive ?

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