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Is the Dublin vs Waterford NHL game in Croker ?

Dublin vs Tyrone I imagine will be there

Probably a double header with the hurling a curtain raiser. Mannion is some player. If only he could be persuaded to rejoin the Dublin panel next year.

Another legend retires https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/1217/1267322-philly-mcmahon-retires-from-dublin-duty/

Another of the golden generation gone. What a warrior, he was one you would happily go into battle with. He along with a few others in that team stood up and were counted, took no crap, gone was Dublin's soft centre, and the opposition did not like it. Enjoy the retirement Philly. One of the good guys.

Portarlington vs Kilmacud an absolute jokeshop of a first 33 minutes thanks to the ref…… fair few hatchet men in the Portarlington halfback line, on the rare occasion the free is awarded there is no sign of a card even though some of the fouls are blatantly deliberate to keep Crokes from breaking the 45… hand striking in the face now , free awarded, no card again…. Nowhere near the ball..

officials again, nowhere near good enough.

Crokes halfbacks are sleepwalking but you don’t need to be hard to continuously tactically foul,

Crokes back to within two, getting more space near the Portarlington goal.

Ah come off it that is putting some spin on it. 7 Leinsters and an AI club title does not tell the real story for Portlaoise.

The year Portlaoise last won an AI club was in the early 80's. Plus in theory in Laois club football it should be much easier to emerge from than club Dublin football. So the dominant club teams should get more chances to have a run in Leinster.

At least Portarlington did not fluff a chance of winning like Portlaoise did against Boden a few years ago. When the free taker hooked it -

Also Clough Ballacolla is a one off Laois are a football county - with a few fringe diehard hurling areas. The 80000 thing is an excuse. Also the population of KK is 99000

You only need 15 players. If sport was based on population USA would win rugby, and NZ and Ireland would be nowhere.

Plenty of years in the AI club the Laois football side blew their chance when a Dublin side was already knocked out. Wooly Parkinson has given out about it plenty of times.

Who this Offaly lad playing with Kilmacud Crokes?

The Offaly player Shane Horan is from Dublin. Played with Offaly under the parentage rule like David Brennan and Shane Cooke did for Laois in the noughties. All 32 players of Crokes panel are homegrown so no league of nations. Dyas back playing in Armagh a couple years, wasn't starting anyway as riddled with injuries. Brian Kavanagh, Liam McBarron and Adrian Morrissey are still involved with Crokes in playing or coaching capacity.

You are just view any criticism of Laois personally that is the issue. Rather than standing back and looking at the facts. Trying to massage history to pretend that Portlaoise are on a par with St Vincent's. Which seems deluded. Given the nature of competition in Laois v Dublin.

My view is Laois normally fold when it comes to crunch.

Which is part of the reason why any shock victory is celebrated in Laois

All bark and no bite most of the time. They fail to get over the line. It is only when Laois bring in outside help - Micko in football or Brennan in hurling that that they seem to get some bit of life in them.

I think is a mindset issue with Laois which causes Laois to underachieve given the strength of club football there - they should be doing a lot better IMO.

Again your missing the point. My point is Laois seem to have a big fish in a small pond mindset.

Great against the poor teams in Leinster Carlow etc. Then at county level the same thing. It takes an outsider to lift Laois and make them try and mould underage talent. All you have given so far is excuses - population etc. You have not answered why Laois have such a small minded mentality.

They always seem to have a couple of flair players historically but no real belief in themselves. Which is why Laois ends up looking outside the county for guidance (Cheddar maybe the one exception).

When I think Laois I think flakey - might be OK on a one off but that is it. But ultimately come up short. Maybe you might not like that. But I am not into the plàmas and sugar coating stuff.

I think most objective Laois people would look at Laois county football and say they could have done a lot better. The same with club football - Portlaoise etc.

When Wooly Parkinson talks about Portlaoise you can hear his frustration in his voice. And he is a dyed in the wool(y) Portlaoise man. He has said many times when the Dublin team gets knocked out Portlaoise still finds a way to blow it most of the time. When they should be favourites Portlaoise do not do well with favourite tag etc.

In fairness to Portarlington they did not fold as much as Portlaoise have done in the past. So I suppose that is improvement. But to me Laois football has a mindset problem. And to my mind Portlaoise are the poster boys for that mindset problem. Big fish in the small pond mentality.

I have did a bit of research apparently Loais football is rife with apathy. And they are going to create a new ‘roadmap’.

Even back in 2013 Colm Begley openly admitted Laois underachieved due to immaturity.

‘We were probably a bit immature in some senses and didn’t realise the work that had to be done’ - Begley

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This to me partly explains the flakiness I associate with Laois football in general. As an outsider looking in.

Leading to that consistent inconsistency. Laois even failed to build on the Leinster win in 03. Who had that underage crop the country was talking about. Wouldn’t you think the back door system would have helped them? But blew it straight away in 04 despite Westmeath beating Dublin. And they beat Meath and flopped as favs v Westmeath. Laois football flaky since IMO.

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“I think, at times with Laois, it can be a case of 10 of our 15 will play, or 6 of our 15 and the next day the opposite will happen’ - Begley.

I am just making my point clear to you. Simple as that. You on the other hand seem very emotive - maybe a Portlaoise man ?

Which might explain it in part. You on the other hand go on tangents unrelated to my point. Pure ‘what about’ stuff. Many Loais people seem to agree that Laois have underachieved. So I am not imagining the flakiness aspect.

Again on a tangent you have yet to say why Laois are not flaky and produce a counter argument. Time and time again you have gone on tangents. Said you were gone and returned again! Like a boomerang.

I have backed up my points - you on the other hand have just ranted and raved at all sorts. In an incoherent mess.

By the way the word for hot air in Irish is not 'mála aeir'. That would be more for cars 'airbags'.

The correct word you want is 'baothchaint' or 'gaotaireacht'.

You have said Laois' problems were not Dublin's fault then did a 180 on it and blamed Dublin. Zero consistency there. Trying to look for others to blame it seems.

Laois (Portalaoise) last sustained success was in the 1980's at club level. Game was more simple then. Portlaoise have had the run of the Laois championship for the last 20 years or so. And done little with it. That is the real truth of it. The same as Laois underage success in the 00's it was not capitalised on for whatever reason.

Yet you seem adamant on comparing Portlaoise to Vincent's in terms of 'success'. Not looking at any obvious variables whatsoever!

More difficult championship etc. It is baffling.

Is he moving to Sligo?

How is he eligible to make the switch to Sligo? Sorry but I have always been a bit foggy on what exactly are the rules that do allow for a player to switch to another county from where he was born.

We are gone back into the pack now, the conveyor belt of talent that O'Rourke talked about has dried up. I'd say you'd have Kerry as favs, Tyrone next then Mayo and Dublin. It was great while it lasted. We are firmly in a re-building phase now. We will still be there or thereabouts.

What's the general feeling surrounding Dessie as manager. From a few Dublin fans I've talked to their not impressed so far. He's had a difficult start through no fault of his own with COVID and experienced players leaving.