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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    Now there’s something I think we can all get behind!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,425 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    We know we can operate almost fully open with lots of cases. Dragging the arse put of this thing till March/April again won't be acceptable. And I expect most people feel the same

    Ireland will still be under severe restrictions come April.

    And as sure as night follows day, you will be justifying those restrictions under the basis we won't reopen until such a point as we won't need to roll back, just as you did back in September while we awaited Irelands reopening day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,395 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Are you not tired Seamus!? Two years of trying to maintain a reasonable front. It keeps getting thrown back in your face.

    April will come and go with Ireland heavily subjected to restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,485 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Its already been said, but if we have the expected surge of cases in January then socialisation will remain restricted until April/May.

    We all know it is stupid, but that is what happened before and it is what will happen again.

    Those people who last summer twisted themselves in knots trying to justify the extended restrictions really should have learned something from that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,100 ✭✭✭eviltimeban


    The difference between this January and last January (besides vaccines, which is a huge besides), is that more people have access to antigen tests and may test themselves at home and then if positive just sit it out without doing an "official" test.

    That and if the symptoms are mild and most people recovered after 2 / 3 days, then it might pass quickly.

    With that in mind we may not see crazy numbers, if there aren't crazy numbers being tested.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    You know thats not going to happen though when it comes to reopening?

    In June whilst the rest of Europe opened up, full stadiums enjoying euro football, people allowed eat and drink indoors, festivals, nightclubs etc etc we were told "the greatest hurricane this country has ever seen" in terms of COVID was coming. We opened on October 22nd!! For 3 weeks! There was no hurricane not because we were restricted because there wasnt in every other country that wasnt restricted.

    The same thing will happen, you know it, i know it, we all know it.

    Every country in Europe has a plan to live with COVID that actually means living with it when possible, we dont, and we just accept it. Oh and the same posters will defend it, over and over and over again!



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,425 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    It's a bit nieve to think the ones who vehemently defended NPHET and government throughout all that with Irelands vaccination level so high, will change tact next Summer as they claim they will.

    They claim they will now of course, but nothing will change



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    The full report is here, particularly notice the peaks and troughs follow the lockdowns/re-openings quite closely in 2020 and early 2021, also that the CSO is purposely going from March to February with the reports almost in anticipation of people trying to misuse the data:

    Measuring Mortality Using Public Data Sources 2019-2021 - CSO - Central Statistics Office

    You'd think this empirical data would be enough to put to bed the "lockdowns and restrictions don't work at all" and "there was no excess deaths" crowd, but it won't be.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    The hospitals will be overwhelmed, without a doubt. Just google 2019 trolley crisis. The difference this year is that the managers have an excuse, and every incentive to fudge covid numbers to explain why a&e is its usual disaster.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,800 ✭✭✭mightyreds


    What will be worse this year though is other countries have learned to adapt and move more quickly now, we will simply be left behind comedians/plays/band tours will go ahead but just cancel the Irish leg where up to now the tour was cancelled.

    Films will be released in the cinemas abroad they might give us the option to stream but I doubt it with how easy it is to pirate so we just wait longer on the stream release.

    Those are the only 2 examples I could think at the minute as I've to take a day off work to see the new Spiderman and Matrix films and have to go see a comedian at noon on the 27th now instead of 8pm, before people try to say its not all about gigs and cinemas.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Great video doing the rounds of our ethnic friends home to RathKeale for the Christmas .house more stocked with all kinds of booze that a pub would not have.guess they’re operating to different restrictions to the rest of us.don’t even know what level of concern Tony would have but still all in this together



  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Garth Brookes freedom day 9 september



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nobody ever claimed that there was no excess deaths though. But many of us can see that the deaths are extremely overstated from the data.

    Thankfully COVID is so mild that we only have small numbers more dying than if there was no pandemic.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,425 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    We will do it the way we have always done it.

    It's the simplest thing in the world

    2020 deaths = 31,765

    2019 deaths = 31,134

    2018 deaths = 31,140

    2017 deaths = 30,418

    Black and white. An annual summary.



  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson




  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    We'll be hard pushed to identify over 10K positive cases a day off our testing, unless positivity at least doubles and while 40K tests might be doable that's about the limit. We may have hidden positives where people test themselves or those with "colds" just self-isolate. What we also know is that we batten down the hatches when we see such panicky numbers, which provides its own protection. As a comparison to what we might see our January peak was only three days of horrendous numbers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    The curtain twitching has started already I see.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    With your hands over your eyes, how do you cover your ears?

    And are you embarrassed that even the CSO knew what the loons would try and do with the data and made sure the data couldn't be misread to support a narrative, yet you fell for it anyway?

    There is someone working for the CSO that sat down, analysed the data, and anticipated that idiots online would try and do what you're doing and made sure that the data was presented in such a way that it would make them look ridiculous. That person has inadvertently trolled you mercilessly.

    And yet still, you do not back down. Someone in the CSO has proved you completely wrong using actual evidence and analysis and yet your pride will prevent you from acknowledging that (well mostly because it's been pointed out so clearly that you've got nowhere to run and a climb down is very difficult on an internet forum). So you will need to persist with this direction even though you know, in your heart, that you are wrong.



  • Posts: 4,727 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You'll have to get prepared for the inevitable comeback Fintan...

    The reason there is so few excess deaths is because of restrictions. Without them bodies would have piled up on the streets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,701 ✭✭✭✭astrofool




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  • Registered Users Posts: 693 ✭✭✭cheezums


    Full restrictions into the summer even with no strain on hospitals? Do you even believe the stuff you post?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,998 ✭✭✭✭paulie21




  • Registered Users Posts: 18,485 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    You must have been abroad the last two summers.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,425 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We couldnt even get outdoor sports facilities open till after Easter last year.

    This is a country where the levels of obesity and depression in our twenty year olds is shocking.

    We couldnt even organise a marathon inthe outdoors in October such was the iron grip those protecting the health service had on the country.

    There is a court case starting tomorrow because some one organised a meal for a group of golfers indoors in August, we had no one in hospitals in August but oh my god,control had to be kept because the childer were going back to school in september and the hospital system might collapse.

    its a cult at this stage, media having shed loads of taxpayers money being shovelled their way to ply the Governments tune,no one asking questions,we get what we deserve.

    I mean cheezums when will you ever think for yourself.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And we couldnt even get the schools open in the summer term of 2020 eventhough other European countries managed to open schools by April.

    We closed themagain in january and what happened to make them safereventilation,that was three monthsin 2020, the whole summer holidays of 2020 and then the three months the schools were closed in 2021.

    And we couldnt even fit HEPA fliters so we had thousands of cases, this meant so many people forced to go back to sitting on a bed with a laptop instead of working in their offices, who cares about them and their mental health,its all about saving a dysfunctional hospital system.

    So when will people get back to work, whenwill be towns and city centres be lively again,when canwe plan a family occasionwithout fearingthat restrictions will come in with three days notice.

    Is there ever going to come a pointinour lives when we arent reminded everyday to "behave ourselves"so the hospital system isnt overrun, is this it every winter going forward because no matter how many people take any number of vaccines our hospitals are so badly managed panic sets in once cases of sniffles reach acertain number.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,652 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    Because cutting public transport capacity is the dumbest, middle aged, work from home, out of touch with society move. People still need to use public transport, if they want to make it safer they need to put on more busses and trains, not less.


    If I recall NPHET actually advised shutting it down entirely during lockdown 1, how did they think their Healthcare staff were going to get to work?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    How would they enforce it,most people dont care about covid anymore, they are jabbed and increasingly boosted and for them this is it.

    They are taking their lives back and will fight to get on packed buses and trains to do their christmas shopping,they will have as many other families totheir houses as they like and will use antigentesting toprotect older relatives.

    We could of course have free good quality masks and free antigen tests available everywhere like normal mature countries do,but no , thats releasing the tight control overt he population,better to just shut the economy down.

    The shops will be closed once the millions of euros land in the till, its completely insane to close sit down restaurants at 8pm while crowded shops are open twenty four hours, none of this makes sense anymore,not that it ever did, snake oil antigen tests and using butter to fake them, yes, thats the height of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,631 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    And not even a blip on the 'deaths' curve at the same time.




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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The issue here is the huge numbers were have over eighty five and most with underlying conditions.

    We also have so many hugely obese unhealthy people, we have young people who are in their early twenties and already with cardiac problems due to their weight. If enough of that cohort arent vaccinated then we have a problem. hopefully by now those that are likely to end up very ill with covid will take steps to protect themselves, they should know the score by now.

    While the average age is South Africa is 27 their vaccinations rates are low.

    We have 92 per cent of the adult population vaccinated and all the vulnerable boosted so this should offset the disadvantage we have or having so many obese people.

    If the Government genuinely think January 2022 is going to be as bad as Jan 2021 then everything we have done so farhas come to nought,all those livelihoods destroyed,the mental health carnage,the money spent on vaccinations,the divisiveness over the covid passes.

    There will be nothing for it now but to accept we have to build the equivalent of fever hospitals and treat covid patients there.

    We cant go in and out of these restrictions for the forseeable future because we have an inadequate health service,every young person with a sellable skill will leave and then we have no nurses, no teachers, no doctors, no tradespeople,the exodus is happening already.

    The most dpressing part of all of this was Leo Varadkar basically saying this is our future, a half lived life with defined periods when we can have the freedoms we took for granted in 2019,he actually said this on Friday.



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