Will you be taking a booster?

I was trying to be fair to you but you are a crank. I’ve met anti vaxer’s in my line of work and it’s the same silly argument. Neither of those 3 scenarios above cause a personal medical issue for the professionals caring for them, covid quite simply does and has killed medical professionals. Get vaccinated and stop pedalling your lies.

Actually if you are a drinker and refuse to give up, you would likely be not considered for a liver transplant even if you needed one.

Yeah, but isn't that due to the lack of benefit? It's not a moral judgement.

Yes. But that is semantics. Suppose Jimmy and John are both alcoholics with damaged livers. Jimmy gives up and tries to give his liver a chance to recover. 6 months later they both need transplants. There is one liver available. The doctors reason that it won't benefit John as he refuses to stop drinking and there is more chance of success for Jimmy. If they had unlimited livers available and only two people needing them then both would get one.

Similarly, should resources become constrained, then the resources need to be prioritised for those who benefit most. If there are two covid patients and one is vaccinated and one not, then it would be reasonable to conclude that the vaccinated individual likely has a better chance of recovery and should get the bed.

We do treat alcholics and smokers but we don't have a blank cheque for them. There is no reason why we should have a blank cheque for anti-vaxxers. If you wanna take the chance and roll the dice because you are afraid of a little jab then you should live with the consequences, or die with them if it comes to that. I"ll reserve my sympathies for those who did their best and still were unfortunate to succumb - not the scroungers who refused to contribute.

The above doesn't even take into account that the vaccine is a social good and necessity for the population overall. Alcoholism isn't physically contagious.

If ya wanna opt out, then opt out. Go bitch to Jim Corr if ya end up needing hospitalization.

How many fatalities due to vaccination have there been in Ireland to date?

Will there be a wave of deaths next week given all the people getting done today?

Could be worse my friends father got vaccinated and died one day after he was hit by a truck. No way would it have happened if he wasn’t vaccinated. Some really sad stories on here about vaccine.

It actually is. Very much so. If you are vaccinated you have less chance of needing hospitalistion than someone who is not vaccinated. If you are hospitalised and vaccinated, you have less chance of needing ICU than someone who is hospitalised and not vaccinated etc. So when the latter is presenting for hospitalisation, they have a statistically higher chance of a negative outcome compared to the former presenting for hospitalisation.

We could decide as a society to divert resources back into other general areas and have less beds for covid then have to make choices as to who gets covid treatment.

Not an acceptable answer?

I dont know what this gibberish is... like your other fake claims about vaccines when you were asked to back them up.

Health care workers have died in Ireland and elsewhere from covid, have been hospitalised and importantly have been unable to do their job because they are sick or isolating from covid. So it is different to obesity or alcoholism in that regard and the government is right to treat it differently to encourage vaccination.

Even without going so far as denying ICU treatment... In Singapore unvaccinated patients are charged for covid treatment.

Ireland just won't let it get to that stage, full lockdowns would be in place.

But vaccines aren't mandatory, but it is completely hypocritical to complain about restrictions and not be vaccinated. I don't really count the booster in this, until there is data saying otherwise, this BBC article covers some of it, with quotes from experts in the field, but the data is needed (i.e. London over the next 2 weeks should tell us everything):

Omicron: Why do boosters work if two doses struggle? - BBC News

It will be interesting to see the reinfection rate of Omicron of those who were previously infected.

I would also not that the confirmed reinfection rate for the virus is artificially low as it's quite difficult to calculate (you need to test, figure out the strain, then on the next test verify it's a different infection), the probable and possible reinfection rates are much higher and Omicron may push it much higher again.

Nope. You are just repeating your own tactic where you made strong claims about vaccines which disappeared once challenged.

Im not changing the subject-this is the booster thread you are attempting to derail with anti vax disinformation.

It's the wording used in the official study from the UK that I can't seem to place right now (old user called godzilla posted it, but on reading it, reinfection chance was about the same chance as infection post vaccination), biggest problem is finding the relevant studies from earlier in the pandemic as they get swamped by newer ones, this one is from a few days ago, you can see the same language being used:

Reinfection with new variants of SARS-CoV-2 after natural infection: a prospective observational cohort in 13 care homes in England - The Lancet Healthy Longevity