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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,944 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    I agree there's no need for an extended lockdown, Tony Holohan doesn't and that's the problem we're facing.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978


    The very idea the youngsters will not meet up and party and take drinks and drugs and screw over Xmas is laughable

    it will happen and good luck to them, I hope they enjoy every bit of it



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    You mentioned Tony Holohan`s guest appearances and his popularity on Twitter as somehow being the reason you believe he is now our overlord. Now it seems those guest appearances are one night on The Late Late Show, (which no I did not see btw) and those that follow him on Twitter. On that basis Niall Horan from Mullingar should be our overlord as I recall him being on TLLS a number of times and his followers on Twitter leave Tony Holohan`s in the halfpenny place.

    Even Leo Varadkar has over twice as many followers on Twitter and Micheal Martin, who is not even popular within his own party, isn`t far off having as many as Tony Holohan. Even Simon Harris has more and I cannot see him ruling as a dictator any time soon.

    I have no idea why you believe governments would have Chief Medical Officers as advisors and then not seek their advice on medical matters.I recently saw Chris Whitty England`s CMO sharing the stage with Boris Johnston where he explained why England are now taking the measures they are. The Netherlands have just announced restrictions that are much more severe than anything announced here. For the government in the Netherland`s to do that without taking advice from their CMO Jaap van Dissel, a virologist and a infectious disease specialist, as well as being the director of their Institute for Public Health and the Environment, is very far fetched imho.

    The simple facts are Tony Holohan has no more usurped the power of government here that Chris Whitty has in England or Jaap van Dissel has in the Netherlands. It`s a complete nonsense from some here who are so obsessed by Tony Holohan he is now living permanently rent free in their heads. Not only is it a nonsense, it cannot be good for their mental health.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978




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    People have to say no at some stage. Otherwise this is going to go on forever. The real cost of the restrictions : loss of jobs and the economy being propped up by debt, is going implode on us if we keep this up.

    We can’t criticise someone because they fell for the vaccine and then woke up to the never ending BS a bit late.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    No one abides by restrictions now...... they just don't get caught



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978




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    The gift that keeps on giving...

    I was beginning to lose hope there would be no more restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,479 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Indeed. The government may be able to legally shut businesses down on a whim, but when it comes to all the covid theatre people are just doing what suits them at this stage. They aren't scared of covid, so even the worst of the virtue signallers will be having their house parties and meeting people over christmas.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Firstly, you’re talking bollix. I’m currently Jane Doe from the HSE HR office, housemate has Covid so I have to self-isolate for 5 days even though I’m 100% fine. Double jabbed and 5 negative antigen tests over the last few days. Can’t get back into the office until Wednesday. I’d love to be chilling out, but I’m up for work at 9 tomorrow as I’ve been sent home with a laptop and paperwork to do. Close contacts get 5 days off, no more. They also have to fill in a HR108 C-19 form (available online for those who have any doubts), and -also have to provide the close contact text they got from the HSE to work out when their 5 days are up.

    Secondly, I know this first hand because I request these daily, we don’t have any discretion otherwise I’d be off until Xmas.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,479 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    So you are paid to sit at home as a close contact?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,902 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Sorry, only just saw the notification for this. No condescending was intended, apologies.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭celt262


    What was the point of your original posts even the CMO acknowledged there would be house parties after pubs close.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978


    Exactly what is the point of it all

    good to see some sense



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,465 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    MM, or rather his extremely expensive PR people would have vetted the questions and allowed this into the discussion. It’s a blatant, look at his “human side” PR stunt. It is horrific that they thought this was a good idea, and that he went along with it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    No, I’m paid to work from home as a close contact. If I don’t work for the 2 days I’m out of the office quite a sizeable amount of people won’t get paid as our cut off time is noon on Weds.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I'm not at all getting why this issue being dragged into this Thread, a one on one interview is not vetted and as I've said repeatedly an annual intervie with current TAOISEACH not anything new. I've also said it was wide ranging and touched on personal issues . Why the need to focus on one element of an interview (which incidently has been discussed by MM in numerous previous interviews) to throw muck, criticism of his management of this Pandemic is absolutely justified and I'm a cheer leader on the front but it's quite another thing to use a personal Tradegy as a stick to beat any individual just because a person disagrees with that person.

    I'm no fool, I agree there was an element of a stunt to the interview but seriously does it need to be brought up here, There is enough tension, disagreement and discourse on this Thread without personal attacks on individuals.

    We've moved on from this issue, I've said my bit, agree to disagree, let's get back on Topic, which is restrictions not someone loosing two children in tragic circumstances 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Show me your a FF shill, without saying your a FF shill.

    Any interview with any of the top politicians is extensively vetted by their extremely expensive PR team, otherwise why are we paying them mad money??



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Now your being a complete tool, if you have the where with all to scroll back (take a deep breath, seek assistance if it's too tasking), look at my many, many previous posts you'll easily see I'm absolutely no FF or FG supporter, quite the opposite in fact, this government disgusts me.

    God almighty there's some breath taking stupidity on this thread. Justifying nonsensical arguments by absurd accusations on a posters alleged political leanings. Not only have I ever, ever voted FFG , after the past 2 years, I never ever will.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 51 ✭✭tomgrange1978




  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    As I said, I do the wages for almost 500 nurses. If I don’t, they won’t get paid. It’s literally the exact same work I’d be doing if I were in the office, except this week we’ve a shorter timescale with next Mon-Tues being bank holidays.,



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,542 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Now I don't want to derail this thread either but I'm fairly sure I've often heard about MM children that died. It gets brought up occasionally in the media.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    It reeks of emotional manipulation. He knows full well that we're beyond fed up of these lockdowns and restrictions so he pulls this to get us back in line. Can you imagine the phony outrage from the media and Leftists if Donald Trump had tried such a tactic when he was President?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭walus


    Today got an email from my sons teacher asking to set up Google classroom without giving any justification for it. That comes after they sent his books home last week. Looks to me lockdown is on the cards and therefore more homeschooling for parents to do. One step away from using this great tool to drive the vaccine uptake among those kids (parents) who can’t or won’t deal with online education or simply don’t want have their kids excluded from school. Conspiracy theory some would say? Be careful, conspiracy theory today, reality tomorrow.

    I think this could be good news for all those here who were advocating for closing schools and keeping pubs and restaurants open. Looks to me that you got what you were asking for. Not sure if pubs could be saved though.

    ”Where’s the revolution? Come on, people you’re letting me down!”



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    And that's No Shytt,Shylock...(could'nt resist that !)

    Hoodwinked with a Kapital K !

    In the midst of RTE's continuing outfall of Covid "coverage" focusing on the need for a daily increase in "cases" (guaranteed due to every GP directing ingrown toenail presenters to a Covid Test Centre),our National PUBLIC SERVICE broadcaster has abandoned objectivity and journalistic questioning in favour of raising a CMO and his crew to Deity status.

    RTE were caught napping in South Africa before....http://tribune.ie/article/2009/apr/05/the-curious-case-of-pamela-izevbekhai/

    Philip Boucher-Hayes is the RTÉ broadcaster who conducted the radio interview. Boucher-Hayes has sworn an affidavit supporting Izevbekhai's claims for her legal case. He said through a spokeswoman last week: "In 2005, I rang international directory enquiries and got a number for the hospital in which Dr Unokanjo works. I rang the hospital and was put through to the person whose interview was aired." A phone number for Isioma hospital in Lagos was not available from international directory enquiries when contacted on several occasions this week. The address on the fake document gives a fake address and phone number for the hospital. The hospital's actual address is 11 James Robertson Street, Surulere, Lagos.

    Even with their prior record of poor Journalistic standards at their highest level,I await RTE coverage of the "other" side of SA's Omicron wave....

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/africa/south-africa-reporting-a-low-rate-of-hospital-admissions-even-with-the-omicron-variant-1.4759122

    As the Irish Times gamely attempted to peddle the "Oh but It will lay old Erin bare" line,even they could'nt downplay the rather basic week 3 statistics on SA's Hospitalizations....

    Only 1.7 per cent of identified Covid-19 cases were admitted to hospital in the second week of infections in the fourth wave, compared with 19 per cent in the same week of the third delta-driven wave, South African health minister Joe Phaahla said at a press conference.

    Health officials presented evidence that the strain may be milder, and that infections may already be peaking in the country’s most populous province, Gauteng.

    Damn & Blast sez the Government and NPHET PR Team,somebody needs to get those South Afrikaners on message...and SOON !

    Of course,the narrative now appears to be the European Omicron will be different...vastly different,cos...well our viruses are different...ok ?

    With many and varied Western Governments rushing to the bomb-shelters and sounding alarums throughout the continent,few appear to be wondering how so many disparate,and long-standing ambivalent Politicians have suddenly started lecturing from the same podium.

    The Penny is already dropping,albeit slowly,but with little doubt,2022 is going to bring with it a reckoning,most likely when the employed middle-class contributors finally realize their pension pot's are now empty.... 😮


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Registered Users Posts: 933 ✭✭✭darconio


    Wait until that 99.9% will run to get tested for a runny nose, or because they think they were close contact of an "infected" that was coughing/sneezing. Our lord will call for an extended lockdown, justified by the huge number of positive, that are indeed, absolutely fine. But that's what we have become: in work one of my colleague was feeling a bit "strange" and was sent home. He did about 4 antigen test and went even for a PCR: all negative. The following day all the other colleagues went for a pcr and they were proudly showing their negative result as a way of being accepted again into the pack 😔



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    It's still a wait and see scenario and unless cases absolutely rocket up tomorrow schools will close as planned on Wednesday. The New Year return depends on what Omicron does. If it's fast and furious then schools should open normally.

    Meanwhile, been out and about and Christmas shopping goes on apace , with masks half-mast and otherwise everywhere in shops. Good to see so many out getting on with their lives.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Yea was out doing the shopping earlier and it was as busy as you'd expect this time of year.

    Masks are just pointless. You can tell it's only because of the threat of fines that people bother. Me I just use the plastic shields - still ridiculous, but not quite as annoying and I can breathe properly.



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