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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Fair point. It was my dad's birthday and we had to call to reserve the table so we stayed. This was the restaurant. At the cafe I didn't realise I had given the wrong cert so I didn't leave there because I didn't believe I had a reason to.

    I haven't claimed at any point to be "holier than thou". I don't claim to not be part of the problem. Some posters are ultra-defensive and seem to be conditioned to react a certain way towards anyone who thinks differently. All I have done is come here with a different viewpoint to what seems like about 10 regular posters and the religious language being used to describe my opinions has ramped up massively in just the last two pages. Is it that I'm staunchly pro-restriction or is it that they are staunchly anti-them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 219 ✭✭Acey10


    What about parents out in restaurants and pubs, they catch it and give it to their kids who bring it to school?? It works both ways...

    Many children also attend extracurricular activities and mix with other children.

    I also know many teachers who got covid out socialising, not in school.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    "As of midnight last Tuesday, 5,835 people had died from Covid in Ireland, and at least 4,957 of these also had conditions such as chronic heart, kidney, liver, respiratory or neurological disease; hypertension; obesity — defined as a BMI of 40 or more; diabetes, asthma or cancer. A further 395 cases were inconclusive about the presence of underlying medical conditions, and only 483 deaths occured where they could be definitively ruled out."


    Out of 5,835 deaths only 483 deaths occured where underlying conditions could definitively be ruled out.

    In other words most of the dead were very, very unwell and many would have died with covid not of covid.

    Obesity is being classed as a BMI of 40 or more which means many other obese people did not have their condition classed as an underlying issue.

    A BMI of over thirty is hugely obese.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    I couldn't read all of that because it is behind a paywall. Wondering do they list many more 'underlying healthy conditions' after obesity.

    You don't have to be that overweight to be classed as obese on the BMI scale btw. You would be surprised at what counts for 'obese' according to that way of measuring!



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Whilst it might not be the case, it's very possible.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Yeah, that's it. It's almost as if you are saying that if you don't take personal offence to something, you can't hear or see it? And you certainly can't mention that you've heard or seen it.

    Outrage for the sake of it, anyone?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thats really good ews.

    Hopefully we will follow them shortly.

    We just have to move on from this for the sake of the children and young people, if this means accepting large numbers of deaths of very old people with multiple underlying conditions then so be it.

    We cant sacrifice children and young peoples rights to enjoy the lives the rest of us enjoyed before 2019.

    If covid is going to cause problem to our very poor health service then we must build covid specific hospitals where people can be treated.

    If we hadnt been led to believe the vaccines were the answer then we could have built these hospitals while construction was closed down for months.

    We have nothing to show for the lockdowns that did so much mental health damage, not even friggin filters in primary schools, fighting for weeks over antigen tests, refusing to provide free antigen tests for everyone who wants them but now spending millions paying the hospitality sector to close at 8pm.

    Its infuriating.



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,566 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06



    You are making a lot of jumps there. Just because someone has an underlying condition, they are not "very very unwell". People with those conditions can live for decades with the right medication and management.

    Last spring the largest age group in ICU were 55-64 year olds with such conditions. These are the people who get hit hard by covid but can pull through - if ICU capacity is there to treat them.

    So not only are you mistaken in how you have interpreted the deaths, the deaths are only half the equation.

    You have a figure for how many people in Ireland at just at deaths door if they get covid, based on your previous post?

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Interesting days ahead. 2500 cases today. That means 10000 cases by Thursday and 20000 by Christmas Day if the 2 day doubling happens. It will be interesting if we are still at 5000 to 6000 cases by the end of the week, that would indicate serious issues with the data being presented.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    More than six out of every seven people who died with Covid in Ireland since the beginning of the pandemic were suffering from a serious underlying medical condition, according to the latest data published by the Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC), a division of the HSE.

    The pandemic mortality analysis shows that 85 per cent of those who died since March 2020 had an underlying medical condition that weakened their immunity and left them more vulnerable to the coronavirus.

    As of midnight last Tuesday, 5,835 people had died from Covid in Ireland, and at least 4,957 of these also had conditions such as chronic heart, kidney, liver, respiratory or neurological disease; hypertension; obesity — defined as a BMI of 40 or more; diabetes, asthma or cancer. A further 395 cases were inconclusive about the presence of underlying medical conditions, and only 483 deaths occured where they could be definitively ruled out.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Yeah, that is fair enough. 40+ is the severe obesity range, which definitely is not good. Thanks for quoting article



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    You may well be a wise man. But they will find an excuse that they prevented the high numbers despite infections seeded already.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,425 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    You don't have to be that overweight to be classed as obese on the BMI scale btw

    It's accurate for 99.9% of the population

    For anyone else they need to accept the facts



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    And if ICU isnt there to treat them then they dont survive, thats the harsh reality.

    We cant live our lives going forward based on ICU occupancy.

    Young people are entitled to go to school, to attend on campus university, to attend physical workplaces.

    If we deny them all these things that make life worthwhile then many will think life isnt worth living.

    People can give no more after almost two years of this.

    We have vaccination levels other countries would only dream of, we have younger people staning in the freezing cold today for boosters because they are afraid they wont beable to travel in the spring with a boostered covid cert. They want their lives back and we cant move on because those running the health service have failed us,every single year for the last ten years, waiting lists, people on trolleys, old people stuck in hospital beds, unsatisfactory unstimulating nursing homes, adult residential facilities with abuse of resident on resident being carried out in plain sight.

    And the same people who have held positions of responsibility are now the same people on twitter blaming the public for "not adhering to guidelines", it would make you puke.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    Yes, sorry, what I should have said was that you don't have to 'appear' to be that overweight to be classed as obese.

    There are a lot of people who wouldn't consider themselves to be obese, but would be if they did a BMI test.

    But that's the thing I suppose. How we perceive something and how it actually is are two different things.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I didn't realise asthma was in the underlying conditions thing being mentioned.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    It also says "conditions such as..." so there are even more than what are listed there



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Bananaleaf


    And actually - a quick check on the HSE website says:

    • Ireland has the 4th highest prevalence of asthma worldwide
    • Approximately 470,000 people affected (1 in 8 of population)

    So, that is interesting

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/health/hl/living/asthma/aboutasthma/



  • Registered Users Posts: 30,566 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    There have been and are lockdowns and restrictions and curfews in countries with higher ICU capacity than we have. Your rant about the HSE is neither here nor there.

    Life isnt worth living for the young?

    Yes its tough they are missing out on experiences but then you are so callous and cavalier about the hundreds of thousands of people who could actually die from covid and cease existing... in the balance it doesnt carry the same weight.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,450 ✭✭✭prunudo


    No, I didn't say that. But I think that with the level of vaccinations, boosters and the age group its spreading through, there is a level of community spread that is acceptable, that doesn't involve freaking out and closing down society at the drop of a hat.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    I might have to tell my mates to draw up their bucket lists if some of the guys here get in charge!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,161 ✭✭✭morphy87


    This is a very valid point you make, they were off the last few times with there predictions, so if in 10 days time and hospitals numbers continue to drop and this thing holds steady at say around the 7000 mark what next?

    Things seem to be improving quickly in South Africa with very low hospital lizations from this, and with a big uptake in boosters here this could pass quickly and hopefully this will be the end of it

    If things don’t go as bad and the government under pressure could you see them lifting restrictions a little earlier?


    what were the numbers they predicted for best case scenario and worst case scenarios for both hospital numbers and case numbers?



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,883 ✭✭✭Russman


    Is the doubling thing for Omicron only, or for all cases ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Omicron only. Delta appears to be collapsing, apparently.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,128 ✭✭✭mollser



    Really awesome news from Denmark and south Africa today. We do need to hold the nerve here, fingers crossed this it's over early in the new year.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    15 hospitalisations in Denmark is a mad number.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,125 ✭✭✭✭rob316


    If Omicron is the dominant strain and is milder. That's means this thing is pretty much over ya?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,672 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    I've a feeling we'll know if this thing is over in the first week of 2022. If we see a mass number of cases over the next 2 weeks and low hospital admissions the government has a big decision to make.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,779 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    It is, but it depends on the extent. If it has half the hospitalisation rate but is three times as infectious it isn't good news. If it is a third of the hospitalisation rate and twice as infectious it's good news.



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