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FI Charts ( T120+ onwards) Winter 2021/2022 **READ MOD NOTE IN FIRST POST**

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  • Registered Users Posts: 23,702 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    The control run is better though and has colder air embedded over much of the country Christmas day.

    It depends on the positioning of the frontal troughs in relation to the cold air. Somewhere is going to get lucky...



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GEM 12z similar to the GFS 12z brings the cold a bit further west into Northern Ireland and Leinster late Christmas Day and into Stephens Day while remaining fairly mild in the west and south-west. If the low goes any further south we would be in a much better position for some cold and wintryness.

    Christmas Day


    Stephens Day

    The low pressure sweeps to the south of Ireland and becomes a channel low and then drifts over North-West France. Temperatures close to freezing especially across Ulster and Leinster. Another interesting looking low is heading eastwards and will likely cause more complications which will either bring us back into mild weather or keep the cold weather going depending on exact track.

    The next week is going to be spent tracking several areas of low pressure and hoping they go well south of us. If they continue to track very close to us or over us then we will stay in a fairly mild setup.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The GFS control run has generally been on our side for the past few days and is fairly consistant with keeping us in the cold.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GEM 12z is knife edge stuff throughout. We are generally in low level cold between the mild weather and properly cold weather. We are so close to dragging in some very cold air throughout the Christmas period with this, just that the lows are not going south far enough. If I was living in Scotland I would be getting very excited.




  • Registered Users Posts: 16,753 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    That must be Weathercheck giving a nod to this forum. The GFS is encouraging for snow possibilities late Christmas night into St Stephens Day. It will be interesting if the ECM moves towards the GFS this evening or sticks to what its last output showed.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,365 ✭✭✭esposito


    Will the lows ever f**k off?! Seems to be one after the other except there's the chance they might track south of us.

    UKMO is very encouraging. Important to have that model on board.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    GFS 12z is one of the mildest runs in the ensemble and becomes a mild outlier on it's own by New Years.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Cold for Christmas Day still is not well supported with the GFS but it wouldn't take much adjustment for many of them to fall in line. Most models are placing the mild/cold boundary somewhere between southern Scotland and Galway/Dublin across to north midlands.

    These are the few that brings most of Ireland into the cold for Christmas Day.

    This is the best one and actually gets us into the freezer. Very much a cold outlier tho.

    This one is also decent.

    A few more

    roughly 8 out of 31 of the ensemble members look promising for Christmas Day. A southwards shift by about 150 miles to 200 miles would bring many more in line with the above.



  • Registered Users Posts: 280 ✭✭almostthere12


    Christmas day doesn't bother me either way, over on netweather they seem overly concerned with it.

    Problem now is compared with 2 days ago not enough cold air getting into Cork (where I'll be over Christmas), potential for a nice bit of snow if it does.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    ECM 12z is mild from beginning to end with cold just for northern half of Scotland.

    We are no closer to resolving Christmas Day and beyond as we were yesterday.

    Out of the main models the ECM is by far the most unseasonal and dissapointing.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,753 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Let's just hope the ECM has this wrong and it climbs down in the next couple of other runs to look more like the other models showing snow chances, otherwise it's going to be a fairly wet Christmas day and St Stephens Day. If by the morning the other models have moved towards the ECM, it could well be game over for any snow before the New Year.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Gavsweather is expecting tomorrow mornings ECM 6z to flip to cold, even if that happens it doesn't mean Ireland is in the firing line. Currently the British Isles looks like a north-east/south-west split between cold to the north and east and mild to the west and south. We need the low pressures on all models to move another 200 miles or so further south and possibly west for Ireland to gain confidence in colder weather. Tomorrow could well be the day that all models go for cold or mild. If not tomorrow then Wednesday.

    UKMO looks good. GFS still needs some work and could go either way. GEM is similar. ECM needs a solid flip to cold by the morning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    BBC 6 o'clock weather had Xmas Day showing the cold over Scotland and the split showing it much milder all the way southwest of there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 408 ✭✭Orion402


    Do yourself a favour and call them the Western isles, even if the name is taken up by small islands off Scotland.

    I am sure the unionists would like to retain the idea of the British Isles, however, Western isles is more appropriate for our island culture.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    I have no interest in politics and politics is completely off topic in the weather forum. The UK and Ireland including Isle of Man and Channel Islands is often called the British Isles when you want to refer to all 4 countries as a general area. The Western Isles refers to the Outer Hebrides and has nothing to do with Ireland, England or Wales. Now back to the weather and the models this is not a political or geography forum.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Met office take on Christmas day

    The key uncertainty for Christmas Day is where the boundary between cold and milder air will meet and therefore where the greater chances of any snow are. Currently the most likely regions to be in the colder air are Scotland, the far north of England and Northern Ireland where there is the possibility of some snow



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,913 ✭✭✭Danno


    MOD NOTE: Offending post removed.

    While I personally don't have much feelings either way about the term British Isles, probably a more neutral term is The UK and Ireland?

    Either way please return to talking about the charts and weather! :)



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Mod Note: The behaviour from Orion 402 is not tolerated here on boards and completely out of order. All posts to do with his abusive and angry posts along with all off-topic posts are removed so can we all get back on topic to the models and try and make sense of the upcoming weather pattern between now and New Years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    8pm Christmas Day 18z gfs. A close run thing so far.

    Heading to the Mourne Mountains for Christmas night.



  • Registered Users Posts: 23,702 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Good for the north and northwest but none the wiser this evening really. Hopefully more clarity tomorrow.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    The slightest of upgrades on GFS 12Z.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The cold tries to make painfully slow progress southwards. If anything Christmas Day is slightly milder on this 18z compared to the 12z, but overall very little difference between the two.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    Charts are becoming a bit of a disaster, lots of rain over the coming week. 10 degrees Christmas Day. Doesn't get much worse.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,184 ✭✭✭pad199207


    This is agonising 😩



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    By this day next week it has us just about there. Painfully slow, the ground would be well wet too after 3 or 4 days of rain, cold rain.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,878 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    The 18z is a bit of an upgrade as you go past +144 hours.



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    A very exciting night on here, a lot of volatility...with the models.



  • Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭Tom_Crean


    Tiocfaidh ár sneachta is all I'm saying!



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭PukkaStukka


    Indeed. Looking around Christmas day and beyond is blustery and miserable. Not nice at all



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  • Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Tony Manero


    At this stage shouldn`t all discussion about Christmas charts belong in the up to T120 hours thread?



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