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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I'm no fan of SF at all and I think they'd be disastrous for FDI and any middle earner in this country as they'd try to further expand the welfare state - but it's hard to know what they would do as they have no real positions (except on NI/UI which let's face it, most people here don't really care about beyond romanticism).

    They are entirely populist and will say whatever they think will get them more votes which at the moment is to just be against anything the Government says, whether it's right or wrong.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    no cert needed, less than half wearing a mask in my barbers yesterday. Was getting my beard done so he wasn’t going to cut around the mask!



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,375 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    I had to turn him off fairly quickly..

    And the soft hands from Shane Coleman... He's obv angling for an advisor's gig. All far too cosy between the Irish media and Irish politicians.



  • Registered Users Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    I was about to post the same thing. If public opinion strongly turns against restrictions I expect they’ll become completely anti-restriction. As a party they seem to strongly support whatever they believe is popular at this moment in time.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The little "Irish language" bit between them at the end was just cringeworthy. We know Coleman loves the topic but it was just so transparently sycophantic

    99% of the listeners probably hadn't a notion about the few sentences they exchanged, and even less care. I'm sure they were far more interested in the plans post-Christmas which of course we didn't get but we all know what'll happen when Tony and co get more "concerned"



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Was a bit of a love fest that interview, heard the end but had to tune out, was feeling somewhat queasy with an urge to vomit profusely.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Another Pandemic prick incoming on Newstalk, Pete Lunn, god this guy drives me mad with his utter nonsense, not helped by an accent that reminds me of the wicked witch from the wizard of Oz 😬🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 241 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    Michael Martin came across very well on Newstalk this morning. The nation is rowing in behind the booster programme and the very light restrictions. Well done to him. 👍



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,272 ✭✭✭Archeron


    For a man who was supposed to be removing himself from the media limelight and running communications past the government press office, I have seen more pictures of Tony holohan in the last two days than I've seen of my entire family through my whole life.

    Show me grave concern Tony, lovely, lovely. Now show us stark warning face, beautiful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Did you ever let us know how your neighbour knew they had the new variant?

    Maybe I missed i, just curious as I didn't think they gave out that information?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Was happy to hear this morning how my aunties and uncles will be going to my parents house on Christmas day for drinks like they have done for as long as I remember besides last year.

    Two of them are vulnerable and are very pro restrictions well as far as I am aware they have been since this started.

    It's great to see, people have done what was asked and got the jab and who knows for how many people this is their last Christmas.

    Asses your own risk people and spend time with family if you want to.

    Don't let a cautious and permanently concerned dictator tell you how to spend Christmas.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Shush. That doesn't "suit the narrative".

    We need to keep up the outrage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    The outrage is against the new restrictions we introduced in the face of an improving situation. There's no outrage at falling hospital numbers.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We need to know how many of those 443 patients currently in hospital are there because of severe COVID-19 illness, or because they happened to present to the hospital with another condition and coincidentally found to carry the virus.

    This data matters, particularly with respect to the arguments in favour of severe restrictions, and yet it's nowhere to be found.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    This...

    Also the age profile and medical history of these people matters hugely too



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Anecdotal second-hand stuff about pubs in Dublin, yesterday was better business than a full Monday and phones hopping with people looking to book this week. City centre absolute madness it seems.



  • Registered Users Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57



    It's Monday of Christmas week, a lot of people are finished work. Plus I'd say extra are attracted in on the assumption we will close pubs again from January to August under an "abundance of caution" so this could be their last chance.


    Good for them. Everybody should enjoy every drop of the scraps we are allowed.



  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    To which I'd add age profiles and 'ethnic' status. On the former, and even though I'm getting on in years, there's far too much medicalisation of old age now - people that previously have died from various bugs and infections quite naturally, now kept alive with drugs and interventions. Not always best for the quality of life either.

    And as regards 'ethnic' status, how many hospitalised are from groups like our traveller friends who despite giving two fingers to lockdown guidelines last year, apparently decline to be vaccinated. I'll be f***ed if we are carrying the can for them in particular.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,205 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Top of the agenda, the only item really on the agenda for SF is a United Ireland. By whatever means required and to hell with the cost. Every other policy of theirs is subservient to this holy grail. Be very afraid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    What justification is there for shutting hospitality early??



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Oh I completely agree... as we've seen several times in recent times, people here don't want to pay for it and can't even agree on the idea of respecting (some of) the traditions of Unionists which we'd absolutely need to do if we wanted them to feel included and part of the process (as opposed to the "we won, **** you" attitude that has been expressed)

    Then there's also my default point... we can't even manage the country we have, let alone taking on the problems up North and the new ones that would arise. Plus, other than romanticism and "beating the Brits", what advantage would there be to the citizens down here? I can see why many of those in NI would want it - retaining access/membership of the EU would be a big driver - but what would those in the Republic get out of it? More taxes? A further split/diluted Dail? Less resources to go around?

    But I digress... there's many reasons why SF should never be in Government but primarily because they have no other agenda or policies beyond whatever is populist. They would be a disaster - we've already seen the result of these approaches through FF/FG

    As for their Covid response... again, what have they proposed beyond a default "whatever is opposite to the Government's position"?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,290 ✭✭✭BruteStock


    Martin is the type of milksop who wouldn't agree to an interview unless he pre-approved the questions beforehand. I don't know the name of the other guy but he has some journalistic integrity. . It's no surprise that government shill Coleman was asking the questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    That's how the vast majority of interviews with public figures work anyway. It gives them a chance to answer the questions well.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    What I find extremely frustrating is that journalists ask NPHET the most inane questions on the planet, such as, "Does this mean people should socialise less over the coming weeks?", when what they should be asking is questions such as, "What proportion of 'COVID-19 patients' currently in hospital are there because of severe COVID-19 illness rather than being incidental cases - and to follow up on that, can you be specific about the rate of increase of this specific subset of hospitalisations?".



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,126 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    It would if enough of them would take the jab. Unfortunately that does not seem to be the case. We see that here in Europe, where even in other European states citizens are refusing to take the vaccines for various reasons. The vast majority of which being from getting their information from such "reliable" sites as Facebook, Twitter and website grifters. Many countries in Europe are also suffering from this with those of their citizens or immigrants getting their advice from their own previous home country relations based on the same "reliable" sources as well. Even Romania ended up selling 1 million of their allocated vaccines to Ireland because of low take-up.

    How anyone is going to change that, I have no idea, but right now it is what it is and it does not make a great case for any country not to avail of the boosters and donating them to others until they sort out their own population hesitancy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    At least he is mentioning antivirals, these are the way out of this ...

    anyone gets covid - takes a pill - prevents severe illness/hospitalisation.


    This ends.

    The fact that they didn't prioritise treatment for covid since the start is a disgrace, 1000s of lives could have been saved ...



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,017 ✭✭✭Blut2


    This is a great site for looking at UK hospitalization date (which we know is far more important than case numbers):

    The number of patients on ventilators as of 2 days ago was 879, and is stable or declining. This is down from 1023 at the start of November, or 1055 in September, when there was no talk of restrictions. And Omnicron is already the dominant strain in the UK, they're at least a week ahead of us.

    In South Africa, where omnicron has been around for at least a month, hospitalization rates are only 34% that of the Delta wave. And cases have already peaked a week ago and have declined by 65% since:

    https://data.spectator.co.uk/category/south-africa

    In Ireland our number in the ICU has declined from a peak of 132 a month ago to 102 as of yesterday - a 23% decline. Numbers in hospital have declined in the same period from 685 to 483, a 33% decline.

    So why is it all we're hearing is talk of new restrictions, and not talk of rolling back the current ones if hospitalization numbers continue to be stable/declining? Its mind boggling. All we're hearing is predictions of tens of thousands in hospitals, and further lock downs, but the data doesn't support that in any way - in Ireland, the UK, or South Africa...



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  • Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    It just broke Fergal's heart to type that tweet ! :D



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