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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Congrats on the PB. Great report too. Bravo AMK



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,761 ✭✭✭ReeReeG


    Hilarious! Congrats on the PB!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭diego_b


    Haha excellent, you had me going for a bit there on chapter 3!

    Big congrats on the pb.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Hahaha brialliant. Similar to TPP you had me too...Very good.

    As for making more of beating healy - shur he ran it as a tempo......

    There's plenty of takeaways for you there lad. Without getting too philosophical - the 5k "struggles" in the past are possibly more mental than anything. Seems like the mental aspect is something you've noticed and tried to address...Good to see. I felt the same on the start line of Banna in August. Very little pressure, no huge expectations and just happy to be back in the mix. Harder to do with marathons though as you spend a big chunk of time specifically for one single race. One thing I will say, for me mental pressure + 5k effort are a bad mix..its very hard to go to 5k effort when you're not there mentally.

    Another takeaway is your pacing......Slowest starting mile in a 5k led to your strongest finish in a 5k......Maybe you're the textbook negative splitter in the short stuff...Some people go hard from the start and hang on, others ease into it.

    Anyway I dont want to be taking away from a brilliant race, and brilliant race report. It just seems like you might have unlocked a few key learnings there and would be a shame not to call it out specifically. Although I doubt a man of your experience would have missed those.

    Delighted for you man. Great run and like I said on Strava you now have the 5k PB on me too I think. I'm determined I can get those three seconds back off you though....Maybe not any time soon.....Well done on a great race.

    P.S. a little shocked there was no mention of shoes in that report!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    LOL, it's not easy to entertain this many people on a Monday morning with a storm pending so kudos to you for that firstly!

    And secondly, a 5k PB, never easily got but you made that one sound kinda easy! Well done, many congrats and thanks for continuing to inspire and entertain around these parts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭Laineyfrecks


    Great report...well done on the PB😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    Brilliant stuff AMK and massive congrats. Eeking out a pb like that must be so satisfying. Well deserved. I'd love a chat with that German Shepard to see how it's recovering from its encounter with the great AMK!


    As an aside, very disappointed with the lack of a shoe report. I'm not going to lie here but it's probably going to cost you come awards night! All joking aside, I bought a pair of fuel cells based mainly on you enthusiasm on this log and I've been doing a few runs and really love the runners....so thank you!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Great to hear from you T - hope your making a comeback!! Nice to see you still read this - I do wonder at times if its just the usual 8-10 people who read it.

    Did you run it yourself or were you helping out??



  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Cleanman


    I think more people read this (and other logs) than you realise so please don't stop logging if you can!

    No comeback for me I'm afraid....just the odd parkrun at a much (much!) slower pace than I was used to back in the good old days ;-)

    I'm not involved with DH anymore either so I wasn't there (I was park running!) but sounds like it was a great event by all accounts.

    I'll keep dipping in here to make sure you're staying honest......but really great to hear you're back to good health so onwards and upwards for 2022.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,834 ✭✭✭OOnegative


    Seeing as I haven’t raced in over two years you have it easy for Race Report of the Year in fairness!!!! Superb racing to BTW, you certainly ain’t showing your age yet!! Well deserved Alan.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    Well done, A - I do wonder what you could land on now with some regular racing over the shorter stuff, I know its not your focus right now but you seem to be enjoying your training, fair play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Thanks everyone for the comments - as always - we move on.

    Monday 6th: An hour around the locality - I'm not missing the park on these easy runs.

    7m / 8.27 pace

    Tuesday: Storm Day - Didn't think I was going to get out, but managed to walk the dog twice (as I do every day now) and get out for a 5 mile run.

    Wednesday: Session.

    The planned session was for 8m easy + 5x1km - but I reconsidered this after doing the 5k at the weekend and thought something longer & steadier would be better. With the wind blowing a gale, I didn't want to do laps in the PP so I settled on a steady run followed by a 3m Tempo - I planned a route that would allow for this without too much work into the headwind - more of a side wind on a good bit of it.

    1m easy and the legs were moving well, so started into the steady part - working down to MP'ish as the miles progressed. A route through Carperterstown and the Canal, back up to CK gate - saw me with 6 miles (6.59 / .53/ .41/ .44/ .29/ .31) - I took 20-30 seconds and then started into the tempo - that went better than I thought and I felt quite good on it. (5.53 / 6.01 / 5.59).

    4miles back home at a decent effort uphill into the wind - legs feeling quite strong.

    14.4 miles / 7.02 average

    Thursday: Was going to take a rest day - but felt the need to run a bit (for the head mainly) - 5m locally at 8.30 pace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Friday 10th: Was running around Porterstown when I spotted an old team mate and current dog walking buddy :) - Done a few miles with him and headed home.

    I can remember being home and thinking how incredible I felt for this stage in training - not as tired as normal and after Wednesdays session - the thoughts of doing a Sat session didn't phase me (normally leave an additional day recovery).

    My wife was due to get her booster shot at 6.30pm - and she rang me to say that he had additional boosters due to No Shows - he lives on my road - so he dropped by on the way home to give me my booster - My 1st thought was - what impact will this have on my running!

    I was due to go out on Sat night and had a family thing on Sunday along with wanting to watch EuroCross. So it was going to be tricky as the only day I had for the long run I had planned was Sat.

    6m / 8.30 pace

    Saturday 11th: I woke up feeling fairly good - but waited til 2.30 to head out, to make sure I had more time with nutrition and to make sure I was ok after the booster. All felt ok - the plan was for 5/4/3/2/1 at MP - and to get 20miles in.

    My warmup miles were in the 7.30's - so I was convinced a good day was on the cards.

    I started the MP miles from Whites gate - going down Chesterfield. The 1st thing I noted was how bl00dy warm it was - I was sweating early doors - (1 mile!)

    After a couple of miles at MP - the effort was too high so I said I'd do some kind of fartlek - after about 20mins at MP - 3+ miles (6.15/6.21/6.21) - I had to stop and run easy - At this point - I should have went home. But didn't - because plans are plans!

    I done about 5 mins at 7 min miles and then tried again - 6.13/6.24 and then stopped again and ran a half mile steady before going again for another mile (6.27). At this stage I was nearly 8-9 miles in and said I'd run the rest steady/easy.

    The next few miles were horrible - the booster really kick in (in a bad way) - I had no phone with me so couldn't ring home to get a lift. I remember thinking how sore my feet felt from the pounding and my legs were really paining me at this stage.

    A guy passed me at Garda HQ and I used him as a target - this got me 2 miles at 7.07/7.19 and then I took 2 miles easy enough to Laurel Lodge were the wheels cam totally off.

    I had 16 miles done at an average of 7.02 pace - this was only a 'highlight' as the run was peppered with stops - I had done 6 miles at pace (or faster) in the run- so all was not lost.

    The walk/run/slog from Laurel Lodge to Home was a 2 mile run - I think only 1 mile is on Strava as I was in a bad way - walking - stopping - jogging - stopping - walking.

    Finally made it home - spent 30 mins in a shower to try to get warm, puked in the shower, went to bed for 2 hours. Ended up not going out as Wifey was also in a bad way.

    But ended the evening with an amazing pizza and a couple of glasses of wine as the body came around nicely.

    Not my finest moment overall.

    On the plus side - I've had my booster.

    17m total.

    Sunday 12th: Legs were fairly tired and sore - so didn't run - watched all of Euro cross on the TV as the pre-planned family event was pushed out by a couple of hours (in hindsight I could have ran on Sunday). What a great Euro Cross it was.

    Some thoughts (oversharing AMK setting up 3 pages of debate :) ):

    (1) Some bad behavior creeping back in due to Strava led internal pressure - I must watch that or take another Strava break.

    (2) not every long run has to be a huge long run with stuff. - Its ok to run easy during long parts of your long run.

    (3) I have 10 weeks left to seville - plenty of time to get 20 milers in.

    (4) And most importantly - I'm running Seville to get motivated to run over the Winter - I dont need to PB - I dont need to do the most insane training ever - I just need to be careful - I need to trust my plan (JD / CRU Plan / Steve Way) - I cant 2nd guess it.

    I have something in my head that a run such as (using this as an example of my current thoughts) 2WU/4x1m Tempo / 8m Easy/ 4x1m Tempo/2CD is an 'Easy Workout' - when it is anything but.

    Back on the positive horse this coming weeks.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    OMG that sounds like a nightmare, you did well to make it home. How had you reacted to your previous jabs? Asking purely for selfish reasons because I have my booster booked for Friday and am wondering what to expect in the aftermath - I was fine after the other two jabs so was fairly unconcerned until reading this 😱



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Ah but he's old E. The elderly respond worse to these jabs......................



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Belated congrats on the PB and the training as of late. Definitely a great Zen feel to the log the last few pages will be looking back for tips.

    Also best of luck with the marathon build up will follow with interest. I think JD got a bit of a bad rap around these parts a while back mainly due to the volume and intensity (including with myself) but have definitely come to appreciate it more and more especially if an athlete has a bit more of there wits about them in terms of listening to the body, smoores old log was a good one for it and proved hugely successful for him (and indeed alot of the crusaders folks to be fair)

    Hope you are coming round after booster. My OH and parents seem to have been a bit worse for wear this time around with it but said passed fairly quickly thankfully



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,984 ✭✭✭Duanington


    That 5,4,3,2,1 session is a huge session anyway, A - leaving all of the booster stuff aside, did you really need it this far out?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Thanks folks (apart from SB :) ) - Felt fine before the run but hit for 6 during it - came around ok but took Sunday off to fully recover. - Ariana, maybe take Saturday off and run very easy and light on Sunday.

    DD - thats a correct point - I didn't need to do it and went off plan - so my comments around sticking to the plan are what I want to do going fwd. It throws out the question of the value of shorter races in a Marathon build up - you get a result but it does mess up your training and makes you 2nd guess your training the following week, rather than keeping the main thing the main thing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    yeah - one of the plans I have is a 2.40 plan from Cru (theres another one developed by James Cottle that I also have). Its heavily leveraged from JD and I'm pulling sessions from that as well.

    Must take another read of SMoores log.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Back in Black


    Belated well done on the 5k PB - they don't come around too often. Sorry I missed you on the day!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Monday: I'm working US hours this week - so can get out in daylight hours.

    Lovely 7m down to the canal, back into the park and home. Nice.

    7m/8.10 pace

    Tuesday: A few laps in Porterstown listening to the interviews from Eurocross on Runnerbeans.

    7.2m / 8.15

    Wednesday: Tempted to do a session - but was online til 2am last night and also have a creak in my neck so didn't want to push it. Also due down week soon anyway.

    Decided to see how disciplined I could be with a longer easier run (an MLR) - lovely route down the canal to Phibsboro, War Memorial Gardens, Back into the PP and home. The pace was the pace - happy that it stayed around 7.30's for the majority without too much forcing it.

    Wore my new pair of NB TC's - My other 2 pair have over 300+ miles on both.

    15.4m / 7.30 pace - a disciplined performance :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Thursday 16th: Legs were in surprisingly good nick - Happy with how things are going. Day off work - into town afterwards for shopping & pints.

    6.3m / 8.02 pace

    Friday: Busy day in work - US hours again - but managed to get out for 30-40 mins and do some strides. Need to do more strides!

    4.2 miles total.

    Saturday: Session - 5m E / 4x2m off 3min float / 5m Easy

    I had originally planned a different session but had this in the back of my mind as a back up based on how I felt on the WU - I do find that on weeks were you dont have any sessions - the body doesn't respond to how you want it to.

    5m Warm up and at that stage I felt that I'd need to curtail my endeavours a bit - maybe due to the booster still, maybe due to Wednesdays 15 still in the legs, maybe working US hours - maybe all the above!

    I said I'd do 4x2m with a float in between at a decent pace. - the session was completed on Fure/OS raod - then the 2m loop of C'Field-North Road. The intention was to do the reps at faster than MP - so about 6.15'ish - I reckoned this was AT pace.

    The 1st rep was the hardest - the legs just were not cooperating. (6.20/6.31) - but the effort was honest and probably higher than AT. (float at 7.20's)

    2nd rep was a bit more on the money - felt a bit better in this - (6.14/6.11) - 3 min float was 7.30's

    3rd rep was 6.04 / 6.16 - felt a bit tired on the last mile or so of this so took a slower recovery (8.30)

    4th Rep - was a tiring 6.23/6.24 - probably 10 secs too slow - but maybe the correct effort.

    Next 5+ miles home were uphill into a breeze that was stronger than I envisaged - happy enough with the cooldown miles being all under 8 min/miles - this showed no real slog despite me getting a blister on my left foot while wearing the New Balance TC's that I just bought - so disappointed with that.

    Overall - a good run - a run I can build on in the coming few weeks.

    20m / 7.10 average.

    Sunday: Was out in the Anglers Rest on Sat night - so went out on Sunday to pick up the car - legs felt ok actually.

    4.34/8.20 pace

    64 miles for the week - highest mileage week in about a year / longest run (Sat) in close to 2 years.


    Next few weeks are important - I feel that Jingle bells took more out of me mentally than I had envisaged - I felt a bit mentally depleted afterwards and this impacted on my sessions or lack there of.

    This makes me question Raheny - I felt in super shape prior to Jinglebells - afterwards, I feel that I'm chasing where I was.

    But thats ok - a couple of sessions in the coming few weeks will reset me and maybe even bump me up a bit. - but I dont want a mental bump after Raheny as its too close to race day.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,238 ✭✭✭Wottle


    I'm doing Seville too, 9 weeks to go and having just caught up on your log, I literally feel miles behind :-)

    Loving the detail and great to see you going so well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    9 weeks is a long time - be no bother to you!!

    I got ahead of myself thinking I'd have some long haul trips (that were then cancelled - giving me 2 additional weeks.)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Monday: A few miles down to the PP and back up to a small park beside Castleknock Train Station - 6x20sec strides and then home the long way.

    7.3miles.

    Tuesday: Session day - Planned session was 3x15min progressive - actual session was 5x1m at 10k pace.

    This may sound weird to some but I was lacking a little confidence going into this as I hadn't done long Tempo reps since prior to Jinglebells. The booster impacted long run, a down week, working US hours all providing very valid excuses as to not have effective training at 'real' tempo' pace.

    So I changed the session from 3x15 mins (plan was to run them at 6:20 / 6:10 / 6.00) to 5x1m at a slightly faster pace (10k pace). I had a plan B that if I was suffering after 3 reps - I'd do either a MP run or some 3 mins Reps.

    In hindsight - I needn't have worried and would have been more than capable for the original session.

    I ran 5m Easy to CK gate (ave 7.40 which was nice) - then started into the 5 reps (4 around the 2m loop / last one down to the Zoo).

    My target was 5.50 pace but knew that anything under 6 would be acceptable as well - based on effort.

    Session went as follows;

    5.53 pace (1 min rec) / 5.51 (1 min rec) / 5.49 (2min rec)/ 5.51 (2min rec) / 5.49 (Note - there was a headwind on the North Road, so no real benefit going downhill :) )

    Was delighted with that and it gave me a good confidence boost - normally with 10k paced reps I'd give 2-3 mins recovery - so happy with how it went.

    I felt fantastic after the mile reps - my 'cool down' from the Zoo to home is 5 miles - all uphill - all my paces were under 7.30/mile and got a bit carried away at one stage with a 6.40 mile.

    Happy with how I felt - fitness is definitely there, I just need the head to believe it (which it does now)

    15miles (ave 7.09)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Seville is a fantastic city and marathon

    Best of luck


    TbL



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    You’re a very experienced marathoner so you know the score, but I sometimes wonder about this quite regular habit of changing the session on the fly. On the one hand, you could say it's an astute runner listening to the body and calling the right shots on the day, but on the other, you could say you are changing one session for another and therefore not necessarily getting the exact stimulus/adaptation that was called for in the schedule (if there is a specific schedule, and maybe there isn't).

    I think the post JB feeling is normal - you ran a PB so that's a 'capstone' effort that tends to reset the clocks. I know anytime I do a good race (which isn't very often), all paces except very easy can feel way more difficult than they used to for quite a while. I'm reminded of the Lydiard distinction between 'development' races and 'goal' races, and the idea that you should include additional races in the buildup to the goal race, but only if you're prepared to treat them as a step to where you're heading, and not an all out effort that depletes the work done to date. I don't think that's necessarily the case with JB, but could be an issue as you get closer to the goal, so you're right to be wary about Raheny, maybe asking what you can get out of that event that helps towards rather than takes away from the M goal.

    But you know all this already - I just wanted to comment, as much because your reflections on those recent sessions, and Raheny, give me thoughts about how to approach my own training in the coming year.

    Strawberry Hall, eh? Lovely spot. Haven't been there in a long time, hopefully will return before too long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Thanks Murph - a Sage as always.

    I think in the past I was guilty of changing sessions and making them distinctly different workouts - I'm a bit more aware of that and try to get the right stimulus that was planned for that day - that being said - I think pre jingle bells I hit every session.

    I'm actually pretty happy having back up plans as it helps with my own psychology - (this is why I'm self coached) - I haven't felt like I've had a bad run in a long time as opposed to thinking "I haven't hit the planned work out - oh no, I'm such a failure!" - which was a common feeling some months back.

    I'm quite sure that my body is highly trained - I just need to get my head to be as well trained.

    And it was the Anglers Rest - The Straw Hall were only taking Bookings (actually they've closed today until after Christmas)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,512 ✭✭✭✭Murph_D


    Ah yes, am always mixing up those two venerable establishments!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Dec 22nd: Easy paced recovery.

    5.5m/8.20 pace

    Dec 23rd: WU/8x20 sec Strides / CD.

    4.6miles

    Dec 24th: 10miles easy - 8.12 pace

    Dec 25th: Cooking for 10 (& drinking for 10!!) No run.

    Dec 26th: Meant to do a long run/session today - but had a dodgy stomach all night. Was about 3miles from the house and the tummy started rumbling again - I was running, walking, clenching (& repeat) all the way home.

    7.6m / 7.45 pace

    50m for the week (as no session on Sunday)


    Monday 27th: Session in lieu of missed session yesterday. I was going away on the Tuesday with Wifey, so I knew I'd not get a session in with all the festivities, travel, more festivities and the festivities. Lets not forget the festivities.

    I 'emboldened' my session a bit and decided to do 5/4/3/2/1m at MP'ish with 5/4/3/2/1 mins recovery.

    I done 1 mile warm up and let the pace happen naturally - I'd be happy with 6.40's in this session today - given the time of year.

    1st 5miles around Carpenterstown; 7.00/6.38/6.32/6.27/6.23

    5min Float at 7.30 pace.

    next 4 miles along the canal into a tough wind: 6.32/6.40/6.34/6.38/ - this brought me to Phibsboro.

    I considered turning back on myself to get the tail wind - but didn't - Next 3 miles went along NCR and Stonybatter - a pause along Park Gate street to get across the multiple roads and finish off along the Chapelizod Road. (6.37/6.31/6.34).

    A bad decision to go up by Donore Harriers and into the War Memorial Gardens for the remaining miles as it left me too long of an uphill cool down.

    2mile reps 6.28/6.45 - tiring here.

    Last mile up Chapelizod Road again (6.37).

    I finished the meat of the session with 17.5miles at 6.48 pace.

    At that stage I realised I'd have a 3+ miles uphill cooldown - I walked for a few mins - which was a mistake as it was difficult getting going again.

    3m slog home - 8.40 pace.

    21 miles for the day.

    Tues 28th: Away with Wifey - more festivities.

    Wed 29th: 9 miles easy - 8.10 pace.

    Thursday 30th: Back in work today, cooking for 11 people again today - went out for a few easy miles.

    5m - 8.11 pace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭MY BAD


    Super session



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    I still feel sick looking at that session....



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Jesus Christ that is some running!! Fantastic grit. I’m curious to know what your hydration/fueling is for a monster session like that is? I’ve just skimmed a few pages of this log as I’m (very) late knowing how to access them!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    2 pieces of toast before hand with a coffee. No gels and Water during - thats how the nest couple will go and then I'll add in some gels.

    This is a tough run BUT the way the session 'should' be ran is to run each step progressive - say 5 secs faster for each rep.

    So its 'only' 15 miles at MP broken into manageable chunks - which should be achievable 8 weeks out from race day. I'd consider this a tough session but a manageable one.

    I'll need to start bringing gels with me to practice them soon enough - I need to get my stomach used to gels and fueling running at pace - I bought some of the SIS Beta fuels but find them too sickly. Need to do a Maurten run to the Run Hub soon.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Friday 31st: Met some running buddies in Howth for a run around the block. I considered not going and doing a session, but when do I get the opportunity for such a scenic run with good friends!

    1st part up through the houses is a tough one and you really get the heart going! I wore the trail shoes, thankfully, as parts were really wet and mucky.

    The uphill after the lighthouse was another toughie and really tired the legs even more.

    Overall a great run - really enjoyed the company.

    8miles.

    Sat Jan 1st: Had a fresh head this morning as I was well behaved on NYE - Board Games with 2 19 yr olds and 2 21 yr olds are so much fun - seriously.

    Although my daughter does make a mean Pornstar Martini.

    Ran down to the PP to watch some of the Tom Brennan 5k - legs were a bit tired after the Howth run yesterday.

    7m / 8.10 pace

    Sunday 2nd Jan: Session:

    Planned session was 2WU / 2x2m Tempo / 10 Easy/ 2x2 Tempo / 2 Easy - but the windy morning changed it a bit.

    I had planned to meet some lads for the 10m Easy bit at 9am - so was up at 7. Coffee and toast - a few leg swings etc - took care of the stomach :) and drove to the PP.

    2.3m WU with strides and I could tell the gusts would be troubling. Decided to run the tempos as 4x1m as opposed to 2x2. Even at this is was tough - I was conscious that I had another 16 miles after the tempos - so didn't want to leave myself too cooked.

    4x1m Tempos were: 6.04/6.02/6.03/6.15 and I made it back to CK gate to meet the 2 lads.

    10 miles were at a decent clip - the 2 boys are sub 2.50 guys (1 just getting back from injury) - but they kept the pace honest - the parts into the breeze were terrible - couldn't hear ourselves talk at times. I made it back to CK gate knowing that my legs were in no fit state to run tempos.

    I changed it to a straight MP run - I tried to run at slightly faster than MP - but I guess you can say it was probably faster than MP effort. The important thing was that I ran at a harder effort than the 10 miles - and it is quite difficult to get the legs moving at a faster pace when they've become accustomed to a set pace for 75 mins.

    The 3 miles were 6.25/6.29/6.38 - the last one into that fcuking wind.

    2 miles back to the car and felt in great nick actually - the hammy twinged a bit on the cool down but didn't cramp.

    21.2 miles (7.20 ave pace) - 2 hr 35mins time on feet.


    More numbers:

    71 miles for the week.

    Finished December with 250 miles.

    Finished 2021 with 2743 miles (4414km).

    3x20 milers done - 7 weeks to go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    One of my presents from my girls.

    A whiskey glass with AMK inscribed inside 😍



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,601 ✭✭✭Wubble Wubble


    Ah that's only one of the best ever. The girls must really love you 😄



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,643 ✭✭✭ThePiedPiper


    Fantastic few weeks running in December, well done. Hope January goes smoothly for you. Seville is a great race, very good field. Happy new year to you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Monday 3rd: 6 miles around the locality - I was out on Sun evening and was a very bold boy (the 'boldest' I've been over the holidays) - but felt great today.

    I recall after 4 miles making a decision to either turn for home (2 miles) or run an additional bit (4 miles) - I probably should have ran the additional as I felt great and knew I'd be 'tireder' on Tuesday.

    That said - I made the decision based on the big session looming on Wednesday - no point getting fatigued on easy runs.

    6m / 8.20 pace.

    Tuesday 4th: 4m warm up / 6x30 secs strides / CD.

    Done what it said on the tin - was tired today - the strides were progressive.

    6.5m total.

    Wednesday 5th: Session: 2E/8m MP/1E/2x2mTempo / 2E (See Swashbucklers log for explanations :) )

    I got nutrition/Hydration bang on - decent 2 breakfasts (double porridge 7am / 2 boiled eggs 10am / Pasta & chicken 1pm).

    For the session I decided to wear the AlphaFlys - really to test them out and see where they'd fit and if I'd consider them my Marathon shoe.

    Set off at 4.30pm on a 2m WU before getting into the MP stuff. My MP should be around 6.30's - so that was my guideline.

    After about 2m of MP I was considering changing the AF's as I was passing my house. Didn't like them - they felt terrible - I wasn't confident cornering in them, they felt very unstable.

    But I kept them on and kept going - recalling my 1st time wearing the original 4%'s - I hated them too but now they are possibly my all time favourite shoe.

    The 1st mile or so at MP was difficult - but I knew once I settled and found the rhythm that it would be grand - and thats what happened.

    The 1st 4 miles brought me to Laurel Lodge - - I was a bit worried about the later part of the session given the quicker paces - but was starting to warm to the shoes.

    The mile to the park was dodging people and traffic and then I knew the next 3 miles were on a downhill, so I let the pace creep up a bit. Felt great on finishing and felt I didn't need the 1m recovery prior to the tempos. But still took it.

    (6.34 / 6.19/6.19/6.14/6.28/6.14/6.17/6.18) - a solid 8 miles.

    1 mile easy was a 7.42 and then onto the tempo on the usual 2m loop.

    The tempo went fantastic - I felt very strong on them (5.57/6.07) & (6.01/6.03) - for the 2nd one I looped away from the 2m loop and kept going straight up Chesterfield and finished up on Whites road.

    At this stage I checked my watch and was gobsmacked to see 15.25m at 6.34 pace - I immediately saved that as its something I'll look back on prior to the race as a confidence builder.

    1.75 miles home - felt grand on the jog home.

    17 miles total - not bad for a cold Wednesday night with a headlamp in the PP. (& a pair of noisy AF's that act as a beacon to sound my arrival - Jaysus those yokes would wake the dead)

    Regarding the shoes - I now have a decision to make on the marathon - I know the Next % will work - but I really did feel great in the AF's once I got used to them. Maybe I'll do a session in the AF's soon just to get a comparison.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing



    I just re-read the book for last nights session (2E/8m MP/1E/2x2mTempo / 2E)

    The 1 mile Easy after the MP should not have been included! (Note to self to double check the book - my excel spreadsheet was incorrect)



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  • Registered Users Posts: 752 ✭✭✭Back in Black


    That's a monster session. To hit the MP miles alone was an excellent session in its own right but the tempo miles on top makes it even more impressive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    So no recovery atall after the 8MP?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    It reads like you go straight into in - in fairness - I felt like I could go right into it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Massive session again you’re in some shape! Those tempo mile paces are eye watering. If I may press you, the tempo bit is 2x2 how long a recovery do you get between the two reps?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭scotindublin


    Beast of a session for a Wednesday, that was epic......I need to steal some of those when I get into marathon mode......proof if can be done on a cold dark night in the Phoeno.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    A very long 2 mins!!

    With Jack Daniel's, it's 1min per mile recovery on Tempos.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    That’s painful! I ordered the book and I see it’s arrived at my parents’ house… I’m half thinking of leaving it where it is!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,236 ✭✭✭AuldManKing


    Thursday: 5m recovery - all local - 8.40 pace.

    Friday: Down to the PP after work - 2 sets of strides - 2x5x20 secs with a few mins in between the 2 sets.

    Strides/200's/30 sec strides are all an anti cramp strategy from here on in. Hoping to get the right balance in Slow/Fast twitch and toughen up the neuro muscular system.

    7.5m total

    Sat: Went out with the thought process of doing a vanilla 20 mile but knowing that my hammys felt like they were attached to my glutes by rusty cables - I was also prepared to just run easy and put off the long run til Sunday.

    Thats exactly what happened. Got to 4 miles and knew it would be a slog if I continued.

    6.5m / 7.58

    Sunday: Vanilla Long Run - 2.5 hours

    Didn't set out til after 10 on this one - but the body felt a 100% better - I done a small amount or foam rolling and self massage on the hammys and felt super when I woke up.

    The pace very quickly dropped to 7.30's and I was able to maintain this for the duration. Last 8 miles or so into the breeze and mainly uphill from the Quays onwards.

    Only had 1 piece of toast for breakfast prior and no gels/water during - Gels are ordered so my next long run will contain gels and appropriate prep before hand.

    I dont really like these runs and found it a bit tough mentally - I was meant to meet someone for 10-12 miles but it didn't happen for a variety of reasons.

    Thankfully - this will be my only long vanilla run prior to Seville.

    20.25miles / 7.29 pace / 2hr31mins.


    So - doing this long run on Sunday throws my next week into a bit of a mess.

    I have a hospital appointment on Monday where I'll be knocked out, so that means I cant run Monday - I have Donadea HM next Saturday (13m at MP session) - so I need to be careful what session I do on Wednesday.

    I also need to decide if I do Raheny 5m - I could do my weekend session midweek and the race will act as my 2nd session - I just cant let it impact my sessions.


    69 miles total for the week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭E.coli


    Solid work A

    On the anti cramp strategy. Might be worth mixing this up every few weeks with 6 sec maximal hill sprints with full recovery (IIRC J used to be a fan of these “hill blasts”)

    The can be a great neuromuscular primer (along with heavy weight squats if wanted to go down that route)



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Can I ask (either AMK or E.coli) whats the thinking behind the fibre recruitment helping mitigate against cramp? Is it a case that with "limited" fibre recruitment the muscle needs to overwork and therefore more prone to cramp and adding more short , sharp strides and hill blasts increases the number of fibres recruited - distributes the workload?



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