PV Feed In Tariff

They completely missed the point didn't they? The goal is to attract public to install PVs and not to deter? We already have PVs installed and for us FIT would be nice to have, but for the ones that do not have it yet, a proper FIT may sway them to get PV installed and possibly go for bigger ones. But now who in the right mind is going to pay 1K first, to get back 50-100Euro a year from FIT? It will take 10-20 years just to break even.

New to forum & PV...glad I looked before committing to anything. EV user, Zappi and hub in situ already. Have solar hot water heating already.

Quote from company in Cork: 7699e for 5kW hybrid Sonnen Battery

5649e for 12 Q Cell panels 4kWh & 500e or so quote installation bits and pieces

Then 3k off for SEAI grants.

I have a few questions:

1. value of Sonnen battery>other options...seem to be expensive+
2. Need for battery at all in first place if have EV (though not WFH so will mainly be dependant on night meter except weekends)
3. Am I being ripped off in quote...gut says yes!?

Thanks in advance.

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here it is.

Who will be eligible for the Micro-generation Support Scheme (MSS)

• capital grants are available for domestic applicants. Capital grants are available for on-domestic applicants for installations up to 5.9kW
• homes built pre-2021 are eligible
• buildings will not have to meet a minimum BER (Building Energy Rating) standard, even after any new equipment is installed, to be included in the Micro-generation Support Scheme (MSS)
• the Clean Export Premium (CEP) is available to non-domestic applicants for installations from 6kW to 50kW

How you can apply for the Micro-generation Support Scheme (MSS)

The capital grants are a continuation of the existing grants from the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI) for domestic applicants, which will transition into the Micro-generation Support Scheme (MSS) grant from January 2021. Applications can be made at the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI) website (Solar Electricity PV Grants | Home Energy Grants | SEAI). The third phase of the enabling framework will see the extension of the grant scheme to non-domestic applicants up to 5.9kW in the Summer of 2022. This will be administered by the Sustainable Energy Authority of Ireland (SEAI).

Am I reading right, they are extending the grants to anything built up until 2021?

I am buying a new build which will be finished early next year, looks like I am out of luck and won't be eligible for any grant if I get PV installed.

the fact that this is sadly true is criminal, on top of the fact that the incumbent providers are cynically gouging genuinely interested customers. and regulatory insiders getting paid fat wages for doing SFA on behalf of consumers.

/rant 😂

Class action? Yeah - I'd be willing to chuck a few quid into that pot! :-)

Seriously though, there may well be things "behind the scenes" which they are not telling us which have sound logical arguments. For example, I've always maintained that the piss poor smart rates that they are offering now is a deliberate ploy to discourage people looking for a smart meter "en masse". ESB networks have 2.4 million (!) of these things to install by 2024. If you think about the logistics for a sec, if you install 2,000 meters every day, 200 working days a year, that's like 5+ years!! Think of the manpower it takes to organize and install 2,000 meters a day every day of the working week. What they don't want are good smart tariffs and you have Joe Duffy telling all the OAP to phone up ESB networks and get a "newfangled smart meter" for free and save a tenner a month with the doing the washing at 3am on a timer. You can imagine the carnage and the riots that old missus Noggins can't avail etc.

The problem i have with this though is the complete lack of transparency. If that is the rational then tell people. If ESB networks need 3-4 years to upgrade the local step down transformers to support current in the opposite way. Tell people. This obfuscation of information and

"We're looking at a consultation process to look into that topic and then come up with a plan"

when they know the score is......nonsense. I wouldn't get tired kicking them..... :-)

I think that is for the grant part. But it is 6kW for the export limit on the gov.ie site, so not 100% clear

You can apply for an export grid connection up to 6kW single-phase or 11kW three-phase directly through ESB Networks

"Batteries are the way to go, as we confirm over and over."

+1 there brother. "Power-to-the-People" seems somewhat apt here.....while I hope a fair minded reasonable FIT will be delivered at some stage (I reckon 2024 it will happen) as that will further encourage a solar uptake, my plan is to consume as much as I can myself via batteries. Problem is that i need about 30-40Kwhr to be fairly covered. I guess when they get a standard on the EV car-to-house sorted, this is the way.

If you have a new house that was built between 2011 and 2021 and you had PV installed as part of the build, do you think you would still be eligible to get a grant not to upgrade the existing system? I'd like to install more panels and also a battery.

Quick question for this for anyone knowledgeable with this.

We're building a house at the moment that has planning permission to have up to 100 solar panels (so potentially up to 45-50kw+ of power if we used large panels). The house will have 3 phase power to allow greater export of electricity.

How many panels we'll put up depends on the feed in tariffs. Initially this looked like it would be a rubbish offering however it looks like at the larger end of this it could be much better. I saw this: https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/bfe21-homes-farms-businesses-and-communities-to-benefit-as-minister-ryan-announces-the-micro-generation-support-scheme/

Which says:

• projects between 6kW and 50kW will receive a Clean Export Premium (CEP) tariff per kWh exported, for a period of 15 years, from their electricity supplier. The Clean Export Premium (CEP) will be €0.135/kWh in 2022, which is higher than the current average wholesale electricity price. Any difference between the CEP tariff and wholesale electricity prices will be supported by the Public Service Obligation (PSO) levy. Exported volumes of electricity eligible for the Clean Export Premium (CEP) tariff will be capped at 80% of generation capacity – to incentivise self-consumption

Now if I'm reading this right this would seem to be a great offer. If I could get 13.5c per kWh and assuming the rate remained fixed at the wholesale rate+ a decent premium this would seem pretty great. Also if I can get paid for 80% of the electricity, ie export the majority (we'd easily use the other 20%) that would be fine.

Where there might be an issue is it says this is for "non domestic applicants" ie businesses, community centres etc and we're a home. Though I suspect the distinction might be more in terms of the amount of power being generated, ie there won't be many homes with 30kW+ of panels. I suppose if needs be I could set it up buying the panels through my company and it being the recipient of the tariffs though that would be more complex.

If anyone had any advice on this I'd appreciate it.

It has been announced 23.8 times in the last 5 years 😂

Forget about it, get a battery.

I'm having **** out for a looksee at how many panels they can get on my D18 roof on Saturday. 4-way split Pitch is a bit stupid, small bit faces south-ish (and north-ish) big parts west and east-ish. Their first unimaginative offering is 2900Kwp, 8 panels, shown below. €29 pm for 10 years if you sign over the grant, it's really not a lot.

The hope is to get at least 4kwp, and ideally 6 up there, no battery for now, not from them anyway, more than doubles their monthly charge. Using 21Kwh per day over the year now, so about 66% of our own use, if we could use it all (which we won't, presumably). They've assured me their system is expandable, so I'll be able to tack on batteries, EDDI etc.

It's not ideal, but I don't have any liquid cash and borrowing isn't appealing (though if it works out very expensive, I'll have to).

I've written to 3 electricity suppliers (Airtricity, Energia, Electric Ireland), asking them what their feed-in tariffs are going to be after July, pointing out they're obliged to offer them (?), and that it'll be my main consideration when choosing a supplier (contract with Energia is up in May).