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jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 12:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364087#Comment_118364087

He was saying that Bailey knew STDP before she was murdered. That they had been properly introduced by Alfie Lyons. Its a key issue in the investigation into her death.

mamboozle · 23-12-2021 12:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364057#Comment_118364057

This Judge jails a 16-year-old for 4 years in 1997 for 3 grands worth of hash saying people have to be protected from him. Yet 13 years later gives a grown man caught with 50 grands worth of dope a suspended sentence, but to suggest that this looks fishy since that grown man is helping the Guards in some way with Ian Bailey is a conspiracy theory?

flopisit · 23-12-2021 12:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364062#Comment_118364062

Whaaaaaaat? "Dispute with a neighbor"??? And he didn't murder him? I thought that's how all disputes with neighbors turn out.... :D

Thank God Leo kept his gate closed! :D

DontHitTheDitch · 23-12-2021 12:53am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364086#Comment_118364086

That's a gross exaggeration, it was the most sophisticated 'growing' operation, it wasn't the most sophisticated drug operation by any stretch of the imagination ie. networks of criminal gangs importing heroin and cocaine and laundering the money through 'legitimate' cash businesses. You don't seem to understand the difference. He was basically an expert at growing plants in a specially built bunker. It's not comparable to the complex drug rings bringing in and distributing hard drugs.

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 12:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364095#Comment_118364095

Pull a credible witness out of the woodwork who doesnt have a motivation to lie or a severe dislike of Bailey, isnt in the pocket of the Gards & doesnt stand to benefit financially or otherwise in implicating bailey in this crime & they will be given proper attention. None of the "Bailey did it" crew have managed to do that so far.

DontHitTheDitch · 23-12-2021 12:54am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364102#Comment_118364102

The 16 year old had a long criminal history. That makes a huge difference. Do you understand that?

flopisit · 23-12-2021 12:56am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364099#Comment_118364099

So the theory would be that they let Leo Bolger off with a suspended sentence so that he would lie to corroborate Alfie's testimony (when Alfie was still alive to contradict that). ANd then when it came to the libel trial, they just didn't bother to call Leo Bolger to testify about this....

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 12:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364108#Comment_118364108

I dont seem to understand it??? From the poster who doesnt have the first clue of what they are talking about & asking questions of other posters. It was described as this & thats why I mentioned it. People couldn't believe he didnt get a custodial sentence, the standard prison term for an operation such as this was 10 years back then, he didnt do 1 day.

mamboozle · 23-12-2021 12:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364087#Comment_118364087

I don't know because I wasn't involved in framing Bailey and don't know what Leo knows

DontHitTheDitch · 23-12-2021 12:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364099#Comment_118364099

But the gardai had several witnesses telling them that already, a couple of journalists said IB told them he knew Sophie and even had photos of her.

flopisit · 23-12-2021 12:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364110#Comment_118364110

Put together a list of your approved witnesses. Who should be believed?

The only witnesses who claim Bailey got his injuries from the tree and the turkeys are Jules, Saffron and Ginny. Are they on the approved list?

And why are all these people telling lies about Ian Bailey. This is a more complex conspiracy than the Kennedy assassination. Even Leo Bolger's judge is involved. And these witnesses who were allegedly intimidated by the gards in the 1990s.... SOmehow they are still sticking to their stories even though the gards are dead or retired now.

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 1:00am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364116#Comment_118364116

Those trials didn't need Leo Bolger & you know it. Stop being deliberately disingenuous. The trial against the papers was never going to win because they never outright said he was the murderer, just implied it which they were entitled to do since he was arrested for the crime & the trial against the state didnt because it was outside the statute of limitations.

DontHitTheDitch · 23-12-2021 1:02am

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364121#Comment_118364121

"Detective Sergeant Fergal Foley said the cultivation of the cannabis was the most sophisticated operation of its kind seen in west Cork."

"Judge Moran cited the McGinty case, which gives a precedent for a judge suspending the entirety of a sentence on such a charge."

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-20122724.html

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 1:02am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364123#Comment_118364123

Really, who?? And there is a big difference between knowing of someone & actually knowing them

flopisit · 23-12-2021 1:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364127#Comment_118364127

But the point I was making was: what would be the purpose of getting Leo to lie in return for a lenient sentence if you are never going to use that lie?

And it's kind of a useless lie, because all it proves is he shook hands with Sophie one time. It doesn't actually affect the case.

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 1:07am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364125#Comment_118364125

No, no conspiracy conspiracy. Just simple facts which the person (DPP) at the time who was tasked with deciding whether Bailey should be charged or not of the crime didnt feel it was warranted. He was & is far more qualified than you or I in deciding whether or not someone should be charged with a crime as serious as this.

When you have corrupt gards going around the place telling everyone in a community that Bailey did it & that he must be locked up in case he does it again. It wont be hard to find a few people to come forward to implicate him especially when financial reward is offered, intimidation is used, etc etc, the list is as long as my arm.

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 1:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364138#Comment_118364138

Theres a strong possibility they would have used Leo Bolger had Bailey been brought to trial as they hoped. They were hoping both the trials Bailey took against the papers & the state would trigger a criminal trial.

Again, stop being disingenuous, me & you both know that Bailey knowing STDP on a personal level would completely change the case. Its a key factor in the investigation & always has been.

flopisit · 23-12-2021 1:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364169#Comment_118364169

Again, stop being disingenuous, me & you both know that Bailey knowing STDP on a personal level would completely change the case. Its a key factor in the investigation & always has been.

Really not being disingenuous. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Alfie and Leo are correct. That just means Bailey shook hands one time with Sophie instead of seeing her one time from afar. It doesn't do anything to prove he murdered her. All it does is make him seem a tiny bit more suspicious.

For example, my own opinion is that Alfie and Leo are telling the truth about this handshake. But I couldn't tell you if Ian is guilty or innocent and I don't think there is a case against him that can convict him of murder.

If we were able to prove Bailey had a fire on the 26th and was lying about it, that would satisfy me in my own mind that he is the killer, but I still don't think it would do much to convict him in court.

mamboozle · 23-12-2021 1:35am

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A 'long criminal history'? A 16 year old. Are you for real?

I can see why people would have thought Leo was going down when this judge looked like he had zero tolerance for dope dealers. Very fishy.

This particular judge was nothing less than outrageous in everything to do with Bailey. As has been laboriously pointed out here and was stated directly to him by Jules Thomas, Bailey's violence was grossly exaggerated. Yet this judge, with all of his experience of domestic violence found Bailey to be very violent, when in all probability Bailey never even threw a punch at his victim.

He accepted Alfie's 90% certainty bullsh*t. He was with the Guards 100%. Keep up your pretence.

mamboozle · 23-12-2021 1:49am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364138#Comment_118364138

Of course, so he's getting a lenient sentence for another reason. Like making sure he doesn't open his mouth about something.

flopisit · 23-12-2021 1:51am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364227#Comment_118364227

I think the telling detail here would be: How much hash was Leo growing and who was he selling it to?

That is what will affect him getting a suspended sentence or jail time.

Also, we need to remember, Ian Bailey (despite the supposed conspiracy against him in the courts) got a suspended sentence for his 2001 assault on Jules. (The crutch beating)

jimwallace197 · 23-12-2021 1:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364223#Comment_118364223

Bailey has always been adamant that STDP was pointed out to him from a distance & that he was never properly introduced to her. If AL & LB were telling the truth, it would paint Bailey as a complete an utter liar & that he knew her possibly a lot better than he let on all along.

This would increase motive, it would give credibility to STDP's friend in Paris who said Sophie told her about this strange poet who wanted to meet up with her & kept ringing her amongst other things.

Now, I can completely understand why he wasnt 100% forthcoming about the fact he had been down in the studio that night writing the article for the paper because I'm sure by then he realized the gards were trying to set him up & if he didnt have an alibi he would be goosed. But if he lied about meeting STDP properly & has lied about this all along, this would be a game changer for me.

But the fact of the matter is, is that AL's assertion that he was about 90% sure he introduced him to her sounds like a load of BS. Especially because AL got off lightly himself in relation to drug offences. If it was in the middle of the night at a party when everyone was stoned or otherwise, I wouldnt have a problem with this but this was in the middle of the day when work was being carried out. Leo Bolger on the other hand was completely in the pocket of the gards when he came forward with his statement & I wouldn't believe a word out of his mouth.

chooseusername · 23-12-2021 10:08am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364278#Comment_118364278

The Guards should have put Leo Bulger in the car with Marie Farrell that night, that would be a slam dunk for them.

Had a look out at 8:10 this morning and saw a farmer heading off on his tractor,

it was bright enough at that time for him to start work.

First light time in Schull is 2 mins earlier than where I am here.

https://sunrise-sunset.org/search?location=dunmanus

DontHitTheDitch · 23-12-2021 11:11am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364227#Comment_118364227

A 'long criminal history'? A 16 year old. Are you for real?

Did you post a link and not even read it yourself??

"The accused, who had convictions dating back to when he was 12, was spotted carrying a slab of, cannabis. He threw this over a wall when chased by gardai. It had a street value of £2,360.

He was regarded as a key individual in the sale of drugs in the north side, said Garda O'Brien, and was involved with other people in that operation.

Judge Moran said the youth had decided at an early age to set out on a life of crime and the citizens of Cork must be protected from him."

odyssey06 · 23-12-2021 11:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118363906#Comment_118363906

Which is precisely the point.

They were light scratches which had healed up by the time she met him... not deep briar cuts.

And light scratches are less visible initially than on day 2 when start to heal - thats my note from experience.

This is all dealt with and explained in the DPP report its laughable ppl go down a cul de sac on it time and again.

OwlsZat · 23-12-2021 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364131#Comment_118364131

Why do all the anti-Bailey evangelists have 80 posts?

All follow the same pattern, regurgitate the same nonsense over and over. Not engage in any meaningful debate. Deliberately misrepresent "facts" ad nauseum.

Painful and all too predictable.

mamboozle · 23-12-2021 11:31am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364986#Comment_118364986

I know about the CHILD. He robbed a packet of sherbet out of a shop when he was 10 and got off with a suspended sentence. You'd have been handy in a jury in Louisiana up to about 2 years ago.

DontHitTheDitch · 23-12-2021 11:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118365042#Comment_118365042

I learned a long time ago there's no point trying to convince conspiracy theorists, you can put me on ignore if you aren't comfortable with a discussion of the facts of the case.

EdHoven · 23-12-2021 11:57am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364131#Comment_118364131

Yup, that really stinks. Firstly LB had a rancorous relationship with a neighbour.

Second his timeline has him constructing this elaborate bunker system AFTER this dispute. He turned to cannabis farming some time after 1996.

And the judge! Justifying ignoring a mandatory 10 year sentence because the poor man just wanted to enjoy the magnificent scenery. You couldn't make it up.

Does anyone know exactly where this cannabis farm was?

23-12-2021 11:58am

Front page of the Irish Sun today has a story about DNA may solve case or similar wording

Sophie Toscan du Plantier probe investigators hope major new DNA breakthrough could finally help nail killer (thesun.ie)

Murder at the Cottage | Sky

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