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  • Registered Users Posts: 913 ✭✭✭buzzerxx




  • Registered Users Posts: 17,988 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Always the same tropes in every anti-vax thread since the year dot

    Vaccines are literally 100% safe in every situation. They aren't, nothing is

    Vaccines confer life-long immunity. Not necessarily, it depends on the virus

    The vaccine is pointless if the virus still spreads. Not if it reduces the risk of transmission (both ways) and severity of the disease.

    My friend/uncle/grandfather died from having the vaccine, and my sister/aunt/grandmother had to go to ER after getting theirs. Sure.

    Mandatory vaccines are evil. We've had them for centuries

    Won't someone think of the children! Children have been taking modern vaccines for decades.

    Vaccines are evil. No, Smallpox is evil, it killed around 300 million in just the last century, we've eradicated it and other nasty infectious diseases due to vaccines.

    But speaking as a parent! Sure you know more than the consensus of modern medical science

    But I'm just concerned about vaccine safety They're safe



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,762 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    The gas thing about tin foil hatters is that they denied, and still do, the very existence and severity of covid. Despite the evidence of millions of deaths and many millions more with life changing long covid, they'll argue about who died of / from / with covid and that the figures for deaths per annum are no higher than previous years. But hey a vaccine comes around thats safe and effective, dramatically improves outcomes for those infected and with neigh on 8 billion doses administered globally and a hand full of deaths directly associated with it all of a sudden its a depopulation agenda.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,673 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    We do know long term, at least 18 months since the phase 3 trials started (longer if you count the phase 2 safety tests), we know there are no traces of the vaccine in the body after a few days and that any and all symptoms from every vaccine ever has been known within weeks of taking the vaccine and after billions of doses given, nothing surprising has turned up.

    The vaccines are safe, there's no need for coercion for children, parents will get their kids vaccinated because the vaccine is safe and the disease is not safe, that's as simple as it gets.

    Also disappointed that you seemed to start out as a person with very personel issues with vaccines and are now pushing anti-vax agenda items instead. Go get your second dose and stop being so angry at the world, there is no agenda out to get you.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,988 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's always the same. The feigned objectivity for a period, then the mask slips.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    A few posts ago you were claiming that there was a overwhelmingly huge amount of adverse side effects being caused by the vaccines.

    Do you still believe this or have you changed your position in the last few days.

    If not, how do you reconcile this claim with the above post when your claiming that the safety of the vaccines is up in the air?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Lol this is a meme some spinster aunt would share on Facebook.

    Maybe try one with Minions on it next?


    We've asked you many times to explain what's really going on. Why are you reposting these lame memes instead of explaining what you believe?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    It's also why none of them ever want to comment on the crazy theories they complain about being associated with. Half the time it's because they also believe it but are pretending not to be so they can feign offense.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭whippet


    There we have it everyone - Lex is basing everything off what he knows from his mates.

    He has openly admitted now that all his ramblings are just his own take on the matter and not grounded in anything resembling fact or science.

    His personal echo chamber reinforces his opinion and he his happy with that .. so best just ignore



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭hometruths


    that any and all symptoms from every vaccine ever has been known within weeks of taking the vaccine 

    If that were true then I'd have absolutely no concerns about the safety of the vaccines. But if that were true we would not currently be paying out compensation to kids who developed narcolepsy from Pandemrix.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,673 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Those symptoms developed within weeks of the vaccine being administered.... (and were again, caused by the immune system reaction, not the vaccine).



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And again, you're repeating a very common cannard from the anti-vaxx side.

    And again, it's something you're not going to put any numbers too because it won't actually back up your position when you look at it.

    How long after the vaccine did the side effect occur? How many people were injured in this way compared to the number of vaccines given?

    How many side effects from vaccines only occur months or years later?


    Also have you just given up claiming that the adverse effects were cause by the vaccine, cause you're once again pretending the question is up in the air after claiming that the numbers of adverse effects caused by the vaccine were staggeringly huge.

    Why the change?



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,988 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    And there it is, Pandemrix

    Next up Gardasil..



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    when they are using it to spin a narrative and count unvaccinated in the data, it neeeds to be fleshed out more



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,988 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Interesting how all the extreme or serial conspiracy theorists are anti-vax, but other individuals come in and try to separate themselves from the "crazy" whilst producing the same identical anti-vax talking points.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭hometruths


    I presume then that those symptoms were reported, why were they not acted upon?

    Eight years after the pandemic influenza outbreak, a lawsuit alleging that GlaxoSmithKline’s Pandemrix vaccine caused narcolepsy has unearthed internal reports suggesting problems with the vaccine’s safety. Peter Doshi asks what this means for the future of transparency during public health emergencies


    In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine. “The track record for serious adverse events is very good. It’s very, very, very rare that you ever see anything that’s associated with the vaccine that’s a serious event,”1 he said.


    Four months earlier, the World Health Organization had declared H1N1 influenza a pandemic, and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out across the world. A similar story was playing out in the UK, with prominent organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners, working hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated.2 “We fully support the swine flu vaccination programme … The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement.3


    Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic, governments around the world had made various logistical and legal arrangements to shorten the time between recognition of a pandemic virus and the production of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine in the population. In Europe, one element of those plans was an agreement to grant licences to pandemic vaccines based on data from pre-pandemic “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus (H5N1 influenza). Another element, adopted by countries such as Canada, the US, UK, France, and Germany, was to provide vaccine manufacturers indemnity from liability for wrongdoing, thereby reducing the risk of a lawsuit stemming from vaccine related injury

    https://www.bmj.com/content/362/bmj.k3948.full


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    I dont need to argue anything, its there in B&W

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/underlying-conditions-in-85-of-covid-deaths-in-ireland-gx6kj2gtm

    So in Ireland 85% of the deaths had serious underlying conditions

    and you had varadker counting all deaths even when there was no lab test done. So the numbers counted for deaths with covid are completely overhyped

    Lots of people died with a positive PCR test with covid, that doesnt mean they died from it and it caused their death

    And recently Luke O'Neill came out and said in SA there was a low level of vaccination and are a lot lower in terms of cases & hospitilisations. The main reasons he stated were is that in SA they have low levels of vaccination with natural immunity and young population

    Therefore, people who have gotten natural immunity are dealing with it better and young people aswell

    So why the big push to get young people especially 5-11 yr olds vaccinated here?

    Does that seem like a wise decision when the data from SA is claiming otherwise and there has only been a short period of testing done on this age cohort?



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Ok, if Pandemrix is an irrelevant comparison why not explain why you think so?

    Just dismissing it as an anti-vaxx trope is not helpful.



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Because:

    1. It effected a tiny minority of people. We have you conspiracy theorists like Lex above claiming that the nearly 6 million people who've died due to covid aren't a big deal.

    2.It affected people after only a few weeks. No vaccines have side effects that only turn up after years.

    3.It is not the same vaccine, so it's not a comparison at all.


    It's an anti-vaxx trope because it's used pretty much by anti-vaxxers who are making the same poor argument you are.


    Again, you claimed that there was a huge amount of adverse effects caused by the vaccine.

    Have you given up on this claim?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And of course, they would never dare call out their fellows on their lies and bullshit and dishonest tactics.

    Doing so is forbidden. All that matters is the conspiracy theory.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,988 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    It's a technique of attempting to portray something as more risky or dangerous than it is by cherry-picking isolated incidents from the past whilst ignoring the overall context.

    Out of all the vaccines throughout history, why have you specifically chosen Pandemrix?

    And what's your response to Astrofool's point?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So let's consider the impact of COVID. Firstly even without death. Plenty of healthcare workers in particular have ended up with long COVID. So while it happens more with older people, it's still pretty common in younger groups. So the risk from the vaccine is once again far less than that of getting COVID cause it's not uncommon to develop long term health issues including loss of taste and chronic fatigue.




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,523 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    If they did, they'd get no attention at all. Then, they might actually have to find a use for themselves. Maybe.



  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Out of all the vaccines throughout history, why have you specifically chosen Pandemrix?

    😂😂

    In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine. “The track record for serious adverse events is very good. It’s very, very, very rare that you ever see anything that’s associated with the vaccine that’s a serious event,” he said.


    Four months earlier, the World Health Organization had declared H1N1 influenza a pandemic, and by October 2009 the new vaccines were being rolled out across the world. A similar story was playing out in the UK, with prominent organisations, including the Department of Health, British Medical Association, and Royal Colleges of General Practitioners, working hard to convince a reluctant NHS workforce to get vaccinated. “We fully support the swine flu vaccination programme … The vaccine has been thoroughly tested,” they declared in a joint statement.


    Except, it hadn’t. Anticipating a severe influenza pandemic, governments around the world had made various logistical and legal arrangements to shorten the time between recognition of a pandemic virus and the production of a vaccine and administration of that vaccine in the population. In Europe, one element of those plans was an agreement to grant licences to pandemic vaccines based on data from pre-pandemic “mock-up” vaccines produced using a different virus (H5N1 influenza). Another element, adopted by countries such as Canada, the US, UK, France, and Germany, was to provide vaccine manufacturers indemnity from liability for wrongdoing, thereby reducing the risk of a lawsuit stemming from vaccine related injury

    Sound familiar?!



  • Registered Users Posts: 343 ✭✭Shilock


    That's like when there's a red warning storm out there and an old Oak tree falls on a house and you blame the house for being in front of the tree, and it was blocking the wind from not knocking the bucket that you usually kick down the road.

    Obviously what you're saying is that the immune system reacted to the vaccine.... but it wasn't because of the vaccine, but the immune system was the fault.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,523 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Fake quote. Sit through the video of Fauci on CBS, doesn't say what is quoted above. What really is your source?

    And, tens of millions of Pandremix doses administered. How many serious affects? Further, in Ireland, they were administered after the vaccine was withdrawn in Europe. That of course is on the HSE.

    Have you had your booster yet?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,220 ✭✭✭✭Lex Luthor


    those 6 million people were confirmed with the PCR test which has been already confirmed as not being fit for purpose

    Over amplified and a lot of the deaths were "with" covid again by a PCR test, so when you have a pandemic based on results for a test that isnt fir for purpose, then you have to take those numbers objectively



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,236 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    But lex, you're a liar.

    No one believes anything you say. You constantly make **** up and misrepresent things. And when you're called out on it, you dodge, run away and lie again.


    No one will believe this claim.

    No one is that stupid.



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,988 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Okay but this doesn't address the question, out of the long history of safe vaccines, why have you chosen one where there was an issue?

    It demonstrates an issue with Pandremix, not a systemic issue with vaccines. It's the equivalent of fearmongering about modern medicines by highlighting one or two issues from the past.



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  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭hometruths


    😂

    Now we're really getting into lies and clutching at straws! Is the British Medical Journal antivaxx too now?!!



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