Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

It was closer to 30,000 daily cases up until a few weeks ago. Still the real figure to watch is hospitals, not cases, England seem to be about a week behind us in this wave and given their case numbers would normally see a spike in hospitalisations this coming week.

The other thing about more case numbers is it will grant natural immunity on more people, every cloud and all that

I have never given much heed to case numbers since the vaccination percentages started to rise, but we still know very little about the capability of the present vaccines with this virus. Just heard a report where AZ drops to zero after 3 months, Pfizer to 35% and immunity due to a prior infection to 50%. That said it all depends on how severe or not infection are from this variant and so far it is too early to tell.

Naturally immunity was always a bit like Russian Roulette, and with natural immunity now dropping to 50% after 3 months it is not going to give the lifelong immunity some hoped or believed it would.

I don't give a fiddlers f*ck about whatever you're trying to say because it's all based around a lie.

You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that all of the restrictions imposed on the people come about from those Nolan predictions. (Some might choose to call them lies). These predictions have not only all been wrong but wildly inaccurate - to date. Anyone who doesn't see that is beyond help.

As in all computer programming, it's Rubbish in/Rubbish out. Sadly, the people elected to run the country fall for this every time and here we are....and we will be here again next year.

How many cases could have been prevented if Antigen Testing hadn't been delayed for a year+. Remind me who was responsible for that and is also against hepa ventilation despite the advice of real experts.

How can you still have faith in someone with that record of incompetence?

They have ruined the words models/modelling - can pretty young ladies aspiring to fame via their looks please recapture these terms from the increasingly incoherent old men who keep making crazy proclamations of doom?

The English have got it right throughout 2021.

Accepting trade off between deaths of elderly and letting the young live a little.

Irish political and media establishment won’t ever admit it though. They just constantly feed the public with Bad Man Boris content, eagerly lapped up of course.

They had a near normal 5 months while we agonised over the likes of staging The Electric Picnic!

And now we’re set for another few months of nothingness after a needlessly restricted year.

They’ll probably emerge from restrictions sooner again in 2022.

And Fintan O’Toole and the likes will keep feeding us hot takes on how racist and horrible Brexit Britain is… while our youth will keep going there for employment and opportunity.

Absolutely, even if it is slightly milder it’s extremely contagious so will infect far more people during the same time frame. Hospitalisations tail cases by a week or more, so there will be a much clearer picture in a few weeks. Our hospitalisation rates are much higher than they were this time last year, yet people think it’s time to open up, amazing. This was all explained in the HSE briefing.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1222/1268251-hse-covid-briefing-things-we-learned/

As I said I only heard a recent report being referred to, and that was just hearing it in the background and not paying a lot of attention, but it seems the percentage for those with naturally acquired immunity is lower than I thought I heard. Extended data fig 8 is the part I was referring to, but why you are so interested with you believing COVID is just a mild infection I have no idea.

Anyway... here you are. Fill your boots.

Yeah, I just posted a link to the complete report. Takes a bit of wadding through, but the relevant section is in Extended Data Fig.8 and according to that, previous infection give virtually no protection from becoming reinfected. (Column on the left listed as convalescent)

It hasn`t been peer reviewed, it has only been posted in the last few days, so hopefully it is incorrect

Sorry to break it to you but it’s not conspiracy nonsense. And can be collected for statistical purposes.

You can apply for the data for research purposes if you clear the million hurdles first.

Specifically the information you will have access to includes admissions as a result of Covid.

Hearhcare is under pressure but seriously do you believe they don’t fill out a basic form stating reason for admission to hospital?

I’ve heard arguments before in which it’s argued the hospitals are hiding the data and it’s part of some secret plot to stuff the ICUs full of unvaccinated etc. so I tend to roll my eyes at that stuff. I was probably a bit hasty to use that conspiracy theory in this case as looking at the post again he said they “choose not to provide this information”. However the argument is really that they’re not able to provide this information due to privacy laws.

We have no privacy when we are asked to disclose our vaccination status, full name, DOB and phone number to get a coffee.

Why would stats on hospitals not be able to give a generic split of due/from covid with no further identifiable info.

Yeah I get that , but we consistently have hundreds in hospital. Even if they did it monthly or quarterly it wouldn't be beyond possibility* and would remove the risk of people being identified.

The covid status is released, the only extra info is "due or with".

(*other than the fact its the hse and they are probably still recording all this stuff on paper except when its digital stuff and they let hackers steal it and leak onto the dark web)