Rose Of Tralee now accepting trans applicants (Threadbanned List in OP)

Ballsbridge: "Hold my beer!"

Stillorgan: "Whatever."

Why does it? It's a competition that's changed it's criteria, there's not some special advantage that trans women gain. There's no biological test of any kind with the contest, it's based on traits of a social construct rather than chromosomal which you tend to be infatuated with. Thought you were pro trans rights? But pretty much any acknowledgement or inclusion seems to drive you crazy.

No idea, would likely depend on attraction being present or not. This is pretty off topic though.

So, just to get this straight; the solution to the problem of what to do with a women's competition is to have men compete in said competition?

Can't you see the problem here? The moment you propose such a thing, you are advocating for the complete elimination of what it means to have such a thing in the world as a "women's competition".

That's what I and others have been warning against for years. Once the biological sexes are done away with as a meaningful category, it leads to nothing but ruination for what it means to be a woman, what it means to have women-only safe spaces, and what it means to have women's athletic competitions.

This example - with the Rose of Tralee - is yet another example of this kind of encroachment of biological men into biological women's spaces; and it's simply not on.

So far you seem to be getting outraged about something actual contestants aren't complaining about.. Like the marriage rule etc are something that people traditionally complain about. So far in this thread it seems to be the same people who complain about anything trans related. Can you point to some former contestants objecting? Like anyone of note who isn't obsessed with complaining about trans people on a regular basis?

People are afraid to speak out on this topic; a very real climate of fear exists. Many people know what the backlash will be / and the real attempts that exist to silence those voices and destroy their careers. To be honest, I don't blame them; they're thinking of their career and don't want to destroy it by "saying the 'wrong thing'". That's their right, and I respect that - but if it were me, I'd be making a holy show about it, without fear of what the "consequences" might be.

We've seen this elsewhere with other women's competitions, so there is enormous precedent. To give a contemporary example, when:

At the time, your equivalent was on here arguing that, "Well, nobody swimming against her is complaining, so what's the problem?".

Then look what we discovered:

The same is true re: Rose of Tralee. Women will not say what they think, and we shouldn't be surprised about this either.

It's pretty revolting actually, that people are fearful for their careers about speaking up against something they believe to be wrong.

But them's the times we live in.

The principle is the same, whether we're talking about an athletic or a non-athletic competition, such as the Rose of Tralee.

No matter what the competition, biological women are terrified to speak their mind about the trans- question. Absolutely terrified to say what they think.

Anecdotally, the number of people who've said to me over the years, "I completely agree with you, but sure what can you do; it causes too much trouble to say what you think". Once they realise it's safe to open up to someone, they speak. Privately or otherwise, they keep schtum.

And let's not forget that many trans women agree with me, too - including Blaire White, Rose of Dawn, and Debbie Hayton - among many other prominent trans women.

So, you're not just disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with these trans women, too.

Totally missing the point.

Nobody is arguing against Laurel Hubbard on the grounds that Hubbard will win everything, forever, even if she was 74-years old. Of course not, that's just silly.

That is the fundamental injustice, and that's what's replicated in the Rose of Tralee and elsewhere.

It matters not an iota to me what position a trans woman comes in - 1st or 100th; what matters to me is that they take the place of a biological woman who should have earned that position.

I've answered your question already. See above.

And the discrimination, as you call it, is against biological women.

Women will say what they think.

What advantages do you feel trans women will have above biological women, in the Rose of Tralee contest?