Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

patnor1011 · 24-12-2021 3:22am

Oh well. Year ago when all vaccine dance started people were sent to CT forums when they said you will need a 2-3 doses a year.

What are news sites full of these days? Articles saying that pfizer booster starting to wane after only 10 weeks. That countries are chopping booster waiting times to 3 months. Sinovac apparently does not work for omicron at all...

Seems that all those crazy conspiracists with that ridiculous conspiracy theory about 3 or more doses in a year were right. Who would have thought that...

King Mob · 24-12-2021 3:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368650#Comment_118368650

Nope. You are trying to reinvent reality.

Conspiracy theorists might have claimed that you would need boosters. But this was never denied by anyone. It was always a possibility.

What conspiracy theorists did claim was that the vaccines were dangerous. You claimed that many times and had to lie to do so. But it looks like you've given up trying to claim this.

Conspiracy theorists also claimed that the vaccines were going to depopulate the planet. That they were either designed to kill people directly or to make people infertile. That vaccines were going to have secret microchips inside. That they were going to have secret tracking nanotechnology. That they were going to alter people's DNA. That they were the mark of the beast.

Weird you ignore all those claims to pretend conspiracy theorists were right...

So what's the real reason for people to give multiple boosters according to you?

Or is it just going to be more vague suggestions that you can't elaborate on or provide any evidence for?

robinph · 24-12-2021 7:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368650#Comment_118368650

No they weren't. Absolutely nothing particularly unexpected about needing multiple jabs.

Getting sent to the conspiracy theory forum would have been due to posting conspiracy theories.

Fighting Tao · 24-12-2021 7:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368650#Comment_118368650

Not true at all. Look at the Covid restriction thread and you’ll see non-conspiracy theorists saying that boosters are likely given that other vaccines need boosters, or tweaks as viruses mutate.

hometruths · 24-12-2021 10:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368386#Comment_118368386

Interesting answer on the 5 year old, even if you knew the virus was at least 10 times more dangerous (which all the studies have shown it to be at least) would that still be your answer?

You know with certainty that the virus is ten times more dangerous to 5 year olds than the vaccine? From reading NIACs report that does not appear to be the case.

Lex Luthor · 24-12-2021 10:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118366300#Comment_118366300

if the data shows that, then so be it

Of course it matters how they died, if they didnt die of COVID, but by other means then using that number inflates the narrative of a so called pandemic

King Mob · 24-12-2021 10:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369047#Comment_118369047

Well you've already failed to show that the numbers are inflated.

But perhaps you can explain why are they being inflated? Who by? Why?

Why are they using a method to inflate the numbers that's so obvious ?

Lex Luthor · 24-12-2021 10:58am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367377#Comment_118367377

some people wouldnt know tyranny if it covered their faces, locked them in their homes, enacted the biggest wealth transfer in history, censored them, made them show papers and force medicated them

Lex Luthor · 24-12-2021 10:59am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367451#Comment_118367451

disgusting comment

Lex Luthor · 24-12-2021 11:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368255#Comment_118368255

long COVID is a myth

King Mob · 24-12-2021 11:09am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369098#Comment_118369098

Again, that's not true though. You've been shown it's not true.

But ok. We'll humor you.

You believe there's no such thing as long covid.

Who created the myth and why?

Lex Luthor · 24-12-2021 11:12am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369059#Comment_118369059

I've shown on many occasions that the numbers were inflated

Holohan and Glynn confirming they counted ALL Deaths

Varadker confirming they counted all deaths in a care home setting

Dr Cuddihy confirming that all deaths if they had a positive PCR test regardless of what they died of (falling off a roof)

I'm not going to show those links again

All you are doing is deflecting again

sydthebeat · 24-12-2021 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369098#Comment_118369098

You are a liar

The Nal · 24-12-2021 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118367620#Comment_118367620

Wow such critical thinking.

Lex Luthor · 24-12-2021 11:14am

off to celebrate Christmas with my family

Happy Christmas to all you miserable gits on here apart from the critical thinkers

Before we close 2021

Pandemic artificially created

Lockdowns ineffective

Masks ineffective

2m social distancing ineffective

Quarantines with no symptoms futile

Asymptomatic spread a myth

"Vaccines" not legally vaccines

Gene therapy ineffective and dangerous

PCR useless

Igotadose · 24-12-2021 11:22am

off to celebrate Christmas with my family

Stay safe!

King Mob · 24-12-2021 11:24am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369116#Comment_118369116

If you say so man. I'll humor your here too.

Who is inflating the numbers. Why?

Why are they using such an obvious method?

King Mob · 24-12-2021 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369125#Comment_118369125

Pretty much all lies there.

You'd think you wouldn't lie on christmas...

astrofool · 24-12-2021 11:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118368982#Comment_118368982

It's actually more than that and looking like more every day as data from the US comes through. The risk from the vaccine in younger people has been mild cases of myocarditis, this is also a much more frequent side effect of the virus (with worse symptoms on average). I picked 10 as a nice easy number.

There is also the human condition of doing something Vs. Inaction, if you had to walk through a door that had a 1/10,000 chance of injury or stay in the room with a 1/1,000 chance of injury, based on your replies you would go through the door and leave your kids in the room.

It is irrational (you're essentially looking for the trick that means the door is more risky somehow), which is also a human thing and understandable.

What I don't get is people going onto forums and trying to spread FUD to make themselves feel better about all this or to try and justify their actions (or inactions for some people). The same arguments appear over and over with the same conclusions each time ultimately highlighting the irrationality of the people.

hometruths · 24-12-2021 12:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369220#Comment_118369220

There is also the human condition of doing something Vs. Inaction, if you had to walk through a door that had a 1/10,000 chance of injury or stay in the room with a 1/1,000 chance of injury, based on your replies you would go through the door and leave your kids in the room.

These are just made up numbers, as you say you're picking them because they're nice, easy numbers.

By all means, link a credible source showing that the virus is over 10 times more dangerous than the vaccine for 5 five year olds and I'll take a look at it rationally, and we can debate something real.

I'm not spreading FUD to make myself feel better about all this or to try and justify my actions (or inactions) as you put it. I've linked NIACs report which doesn't say anything like what you are claiming.

24-12-2021 12:27pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369283#Comment_118369283

the CDC have discovered 8 myocarditis cases from 7 million vaccine doses in 5 to 11 year olds. that's about 1 in a million literally found so far.

there was a higher incidence recorded in 16-17 years old and 12 - 15 but that ranged from 1 in 14,000 to 1 in 25,000

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/eight-heart-inflammation-cases-seen-among-young-kids-who-got-covid-19-shot-us-2021-12-16/

meanwhile over 1,500 college athletes were scanned after having Covid and 2.3% were diagnosed with clinical or subclinical myocarditis. That's over 1 in 50.

0.31 % were identified just by symptom presentation like would be the case with the CDC figures.

and these are athletes.

Myocarditis is a leading cause of sudden death in competitive athletes. Myocardial inflammation is known to occur with SARS-CoV-2.

Now of course this was different as they were specifically scanned but this is 2.3% or 0.023 vs 1 in 14000 or 0.00007, 1 in 25000 or 0.00004 or 1 in a million (0.000001)

Even the pure symptom-based presentation (no scan required) which is much more directly comparable to the CDC figures was .31% for the athletes who had had Covid so 0.0031 vs 0.00007 vs 0.00004 vs 0.000001

note the order of magnitude of zeroes in there 😀

even one of the 5 year-olds who got the vaccine could work that out.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamacardiology/fullarticle/2780548

hometruths · 24-12-2021 12:42pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369366#Comment_118369366

so you're comparing the risk of myocarditis caused by the vaccine in 5 to 11 year olds to the risk of myocarditis caused by the infection in college athletes?!

since my 5 year old is not a competitive athlete I am struggling to see the relevance of the fact that "Myocarditis is a leading cause of sudden death in competitive athletes"?

24-12-2021 12:45pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369413#Comment_118369413

is that really the best that you could come up with as a rebuttal lol and just blatantly ignoring the other smack-in-the-face figures?

rofl

so.... 1 myocarditis case per million vaccine doses found in 5 to 11 year olds by the CDC - do you find that concerning?

really?

did you fail statistics or just never take the class?

hometruths · 24-12-2021 12:53pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369425#Comment_118369425

You responded to my post asking for a credible source showing that the virus is over 10 times more dangerous than the vaccine for 5 five year olds with stats about college athletes?

ROFL indeed!!

24-12-2021 12:59pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369459#Comment_118369459

You're beyond a joke ignoring the literally 1 in a million question!

King Mob · 24-12-2021 1:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369459#Comment_118369459

But the atheles were examines after having covid and specifical because they had covid.

What is your objection to the comparison exactly?

Or are you just looking for an excuse to ignore the evidence you've been provided?

astrofool · 24-12-2021 1:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369459#Comment_118369459

It was evidence that the risk of the virus is much higher than the risk from the vaccine, athletes were used as they were studied specifically and in detail so edge cases are caught much more often than in the general population (and you seem to be all about the edge cases here).

But you are well into whataboutery now.

Your irrationality in the face of evidence has been highlighted and it's on you to own that. People are irrational, but you don't need to bring everybody into the same boat you are in by spreading FUD.

And this comment is just weird as I told you the numbers are made up, the actual numbers are even more favourable to the vaccines, it was to highlight the irrationality of leaving kids somewhere with a 1/1000 chance of getting hurt vs. taking action that has a 1/10,000 chance of getting hurt but that seems to have been lost on you!

These are just made up numbers, as you say you're picking them because they're nice, easy numbers.

hometruths · 24-12-2021 1:35pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369561#Comment_118369561

OK so we still don't have a credible source claiming with certainty that the virus is over ten times more dangerous than the vaccines specifically for 5-11 year olds?

The risk/reward profile for vaccinating my five year old is the only thing I am interested in. Having read NIACs report specifically on this age group, I am happy that the risk/reward profile for my five year old is in favour of not getting the vaccine.

The number of college athletes developing myocarditis from covid is totally irrelevant to that risk/reward analysis - it's just total whataboutery.

King Mob · 24-12-2021 1:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369597#Comment_118369597

Do any doctors or medical organisations agree with your assessment?

And the studies you've been provided are relevant. You haven't explained your object other than the people involved are athletes. Do you believe that athletes are somehow biologically different from other people?

Also it's very hypocritical for you to be whinging about this given how early you were making claims about the adverse effects of vaccines that you abandoned because you realised they were false.

astrofool · 24-12-2021 2:07pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118369597#Comment_118369597

But NIAC don't say that anywhere, I'm going to do what you usually do and ask for proof of this as everybody else has bent over backwards getting proof for you only for you to totally ignore it and go off on another tangent.

The risk of COVID for kids is very low, the risk of the vaccine for kids is at least an order of magnitude below that based on all the detailed studies provided.

It would also be good for you to acknowledge the misinformation you posted as mentioned by King mob, if you are actually posting in good faith.

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