How to talk to that family member...

Yep if you're unvaccinated you're much more likely to get serious illness that requires hospital and you're more likely to die too. However the overall risk of needing hospital and/or dying vaccinated or not(but it's much better to be) for those under 50 not in pretty bad health and/or scarily unlucky is tiny. The average age of those who died from covid pre vaccines is 80. A couple of months off the average age of death in Ireland before covid. 40% of all those who died were over 85. 90% of all those who died were over 65. Even if you were in the over 85 demographic who were really hit hard by this pox you still had a 90% chance of not dying from covid.

Covid 19 is by some measure the least deadly pandemic pathogen in world history and one that thankfully unlike the others pretty much avoided kiiling children and the young. The 1918 flu pandemic on the other hand was notable for killing people in the prime of life. The nasty version of smallpox killed a third of those infected regardless of age and left another third fecked for life. That killed three hundred million men women and children in the 20th century alone.

The technology for both types of COVID vaccine has been around for quite a while.

This is extremely misleading at best. OK then, name a commercial product licenced for human use that is an mRNA based therapy? Caveat; that didn't come out in the last two years and isn't a covid 19 vaccine. If the technology has been "around for quite a while", this should be easy for you. After over ten years of research and promise Moderna's only current commercial product is their covid 19 vaccine.

Viral vector vaccines have a little more history going back to around 2010, but previous to Covid 19 there were only two in actual use(ebola and I can't recall the other one). I have no idea where you're getting your "technology from the 70's" from. Hell, even sequencing genes in the 70's was a major undertaking and took years.

Troll farms are certainly promoting misinformation and half truths, but they're not the only ones doing so. Your statement is a near mantra at this stage, but it's just as much misinformation and half truth.

So you can't answer my points or question then? It should be easy to do so if your claims were true, no? Instead you bring in a lazy appeal to authority to avoid doing so. Authorities I never said were wrong by the way. Authorities who never made the claims you did either.

The vaccines have been a game changer with this pandemic. They have saved an uncountable amount of lives that would have otherwise been lost. They've been incredibly good at that and this is against a background where a vaccine against coronaviruses has never been successful. And they were rolled out in under a year. Even with the waning antibodies that seem to have many freaking out they kept that protection going as the numbers show.

You seem to have a thing about Russian "troll farms" and "cranks" peddling anxiety about vaccines. Odd, given the Russian authorities are trying their damnedest to promote uptake of vaccines in their country because the lack of uptake among their population. A lack of uptake that's killed many thousands of them already. Do you not think you're at the other, albeit much better end cheerleading vaccines with BS?

I have a problem with BS, because BS even in the service of a good cause is still BS. Why? Because if people decide to check it out for themselves and find the "good" BS is, well BS, it will convince them to become cranks and reinforce any trepidation they have.

So you still can't address my points then? Again please point out the inaccuracies in my posts. If you won't because you can't and want to run with your avoidant tangent please point out where I said I know more than the scientists and the regularity bodies. I didn't. And I wouldn't.

You also seem to have missed this part:

The vaccines have been a game changer with this pandemic. They have saved an uncountable amount of lives that would have otherwise been lost. They've been incredibly good at that and this is against a background where a vaccine against coronaviruses has never been successful. And they were rolled out in under a year. Even with the waning antibodies that seem to have many freaking out they kept that protection going as the numbers show.

OHMIGOD! Stop the presses!! We have an anti vaxxer here! Not. Well, unless someone is incapable of reading plain bloody english. And if the search is working again around here you will find I was a strong and very early advocate for masks(I'd be pretty confident in believing I was wearing them before you were), and lockdowns in the initial stages to "flatten the curve" and social distancing and yep, vaccines as ways to mitigate this virus.

You're spreading half truths and complete bloody nonsense, albeit to a better end yes, but they're still half truths and nonsense. Any anti vaxxer nutters reading your stuff are a wiki article away from confirming that and then throwing the baby out with the bathwater and assuming the vaccines themselves are a nonsense. Any anti vaxxer reading my posts can go off and google away and find yep that's backed up by facts and yet I'm still saying in plain english that vaccines are a huge positive that have saved millions from serious illness and death because people are getting vaccinated. Who's providing more ammo for the nutters again?

Did you miss the part where Fyp4 has clearly stated he's happily been triple vaccinated? If he's an anti vaxxer he's a really bloody terrible one. And you think he's the one talking without recourse to his mouth? It's far more likely that near religious zealots like you, armed with half truth, bullshít and snarky and avoidant responses to questions you can't answer are far more likely to sway those on the fence. Not Fyp4.

Oh and you forgot to type "troll farms".

“Human trials of cancer vaccines using the same mRNA technology have been taking place since at least 2011. ‘If there was a real problem with the technology, we’d have seen it before now for sure,’ said Prof. Goldman.” (Link below)

Sorry "pal", 🙄 you're riding the google wave yourself. The human trials of cancer vaccines, which were tiny and never went beyond phase 1, were halted because they showed little efficacy and other trials into other disease therapies were halted because the risks were too high to even go beyond animal trials. Again a big reason why mRNA research shifted into vaccines, even though they were of a much lower return on investment before this pox, was because they were much more likely to show effectiveness and because of the lower doses involved much less likely to show side effects.

Your link leads with: mRNA vaccine technology is not entirely new. They're dead right. It isn't entirely new, but it is new at this level. Extremely new. Again name one commerical approved mRNA therapy that came along before covid 19 and the vaccines. Moderna, a company set up over a decade ago to capitalise on the promise of this tech has after lots of research and cash spent has only one commercial product licenced for humans, their covid vaccine.

mRNA vaccines do not alter your DNA/mRNA vaccines are very specific/ The vaccine triggers an inflammatory response Yep I'd agree with all that. And I'd 100% agree with this: ‘The highest risk right now (especially for vulnerable people) is not to be vaccinated.

despite the fact that they have been in development with human trials for at least a decade.

Well under a decade and where they went to phase 1 human trails they were in tiny numbers and weren't followed up(eg; rabies vaccine, 102 test subjects in 2013) or never got to human trials because of lack of efficacy or concerns about toxicity. "Commercially available" is a good standard, especially after all these decades of research you're claiming as a plus point. Commercially available means it's shown efficacy and passed trials.