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David's going Dairying.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Two other little bits. I know a person was asking about algae growing on concrete because of the clear roof. As you can see algae grows where the cow aren't standing. There is some growing in the pit but not as bad. I recently power washed the parlor to clean it up. I'd rather deal with the algae rather than a dark parlor personally.

    One thing I would change is the mangers. They are Alfco mangers, not Delaval. The reason I don't like them is meal builds up in the inside corner of the manger and the noise off meal hitting 16 mangers is deafening. The cows are unable to lick them out. The meal that is left behind is mixed with cows saliva and it creates a hard crust. This builds up over time and goes mouldy. The holes to allow water to drain away are too small. I redrilled one with a larger bit and it made a big difference. I only remembered take a picture when I was nearly finished, this one isn't too bad compared to the worst mangers and this isn't my first time cleaning them out either. The Delval manger is a round bowl so the meal can't build up anywhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Pictures


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,611 ✭✭✭Mooooo


    Protein drops have more to do with energy in the diet, not protein in the diet. Next time they are in there keep an eye on the lactose results, should be a good indicator of energy this year as well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,484 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Would a small bit of rubber mat added to the trough dead out the sound in any way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Reggie. wrote: »
    Would a small bit of rubber mat added to the trough dead out the sound in any way

    I'm going to get a piece off an old conveyor belt and try it out. I'm just worried would tech screws hurt the cows noses


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Gillespy


    Is there wire in the conveyor belt? Avoid if there is. An old cubicle mat will be thinner than a new one and if cut to the right shape could be glued in. Or you might be able to tighten a coach bolt on the rubber. Tec screws are very sharp for a place they're eating.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,870 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    I'm going to get a piece off an old conveyor belt and try it out. I'm just worried would tech screws hurt the cows noses

    Is most of the noise when the nuts are dropping. Maybe the rubber on the sloped surface under the feeder pipe. By the way you can get all different types of tec screw head inculduing a flat pan head. Has to be driven with a PZ tip


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Spray the area with the alge with copper sulphate. This should stop it building backup. Another option is to dress that area with hydrated lime.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,135 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    Two other little bits. I know a person was asking about algae growing on concrete because of the clear roof. As you can see algae grows where the cow aren't standing. There is some growing in the pit but not as bad. I recently power washed the parlor to clean it up. I'd rather deal with the algae rather than a dark parlor personally.

    One thing I would change is the mangers. They are Alfco mangers, not Delaval. The reason I don't like them is meal builds up in the inside corner of the manger and the noise off meal hitting 16 mangers is deafening. The cows are unable to lick them out. The meal that is left behind is mixed with cows saliva and it creates a hard crust. This builds up over time and goes mouldy. The holes to allow water to drain away are too small. I redrilled one with a larger bit and it made a big difference. I only remembered take a picture when I was nearly finished, this one isn't too bad compared to the worst mangers and this isn't my first time cleaning them out either. The Delval manger is a round bowl so the meal can't build up anywhere.


    We have same mangers here, can't say any of that is an issue for ours


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Freejin


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    Two other little bits. I know a person was asking about algae growing on concrete because of the clear roof. As you can see algae grows where the cow aren't standing. There is some growing in the pit but not as bad. I recently power washed the parlor to clean it up. I'd rather deal with the algae rather than a dark parlor personally.

    One thing I would change is the mangers. They are Alfco mangers, not Delaval. The reason I don't like them is meal builds up in the inside corner of the manger and the noise off meal hitting 16 mangers is deafening. The cows are unable to lick them out. The meal that is left behind is mixed with cows saliva and it creates a hard crust. This builds up over time and goes mouldy. The holes to allow water to drain away are too small. I redrilled one with a larger bit and it made a big difference. I only remembered take a picture when I was nearly finished, this one isn't too bad compared to the worst mangers and this isn't my first time cleaning them out either. The Delval manger is a round bowl so the meal can't build up anywhere.

    The alfco mangers are designed to discourage you from feeding too much meal!! 😂 Fair noise off them alright, we're after getting used to it. Was advised against putting in rubber to deaden the sound as nuts will bounce out onto the ground


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 866 ✭✭✭Sacrolyte


    Have the same mangers here too. You get used to the noise. Actually I thinks it helps bring the row in. As for the design shape of the manger personally I like it because i think it keeps the cow occupied for longer rooting around the corners trying to get the last morsel of ration.
    Btw. Where did you get your dairy doors. They look good.
    Also do you have any trouble reading the indicators with all that natural light.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    I'm going to get a piece off an old conveyor belt and try it out. I'm just worried would tech screws hurt the cows noses

    It might sit there without any tex screws, or else tec 7 glue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Sacrolyte wrote: »
    Have the same mangers here too. You get used to the noise. Actually I thinks it helps bring the row in. As for the design shape of the manger personally I like it because i think it keeps the cow occupied for longer rooting around the corners trying to get the last morsel of ration.
    Btw. Where did you get your dairy doors. They look good.
    Also do you have any trouble reading the indicators with all that natural light.

    I got the doors off a company called diary Hygiene. They have ad's on done deal. No issues so far reading meters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Morris Moss


    davidk1394 wrote: »
    I got the doors off a company called diary Hygiene. They have ad's on done deal. No issues so far reading meters.

    Are ya going to keep at the contracting?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Are ya going to keep at the contracting?

    Yes I will until I get fed up with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Phase two has begun. A bit later than I planned with weather but it is what it is. We are putting in a 120ft tank and feed barriers. I decided back in July to buy extra straw and try work with that for a few years until cash flow is stronger. I also bought extra incalf heifers so I'll be at my capacity in 2 years time rather than 4. I'll go through how my first year has been in a while. It was my first time on boards in a LONG time so I decided I'd update this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    The tank is in over a week now. Its total length is 120ft by 9ft deep and a 16ft 6 grooved slat will go on top. The barrels fill concrete are there to take the pillars that will carry the shed when I extend it out over the tank. They are sitting on the found of the tank. I'll pour another base of concrete on top of the barrels and stop 1ft from the top of the slats. I'll then bolt the pillars to the base of concrete and fill in around them with more concrete. I will put in smaller bases in between each barrel at the front for the pillars that will carry the feed barriers.

    My plan is to put up feed barriers on the left hand side with a feed apron extending out 10ft. I will put in a stub wall and put the barrier on top of it. On the right hand side I will put a slab of concrete going from the back of the tank to the front of the shed and I'll put a slight fall towards the tank so any water can flow into the tank.

    Towards the front of the tank where I am standing. I will run an 8ft hight wall off the pillar at the front of the shed over the tank and up to the top side of the apron. This will act as a barrier for the wind and I can load old silage off the wall also. I'll see how I go on straw for this year.


    I dried off the first few cows today. It went well with very little kicking. I used cepravin dry cow tubes and cepravin sealers also. I then used T-HEXX DRY external sealer on the teats. I will put them out on a bare paddock for a few days before I house them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,135 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    I presume you’re planning on putting cubicles on down the line David?

    It sounds like it’s going to be similar to what we have here

    think we’re friends in facebook?

    have a look at my Facebook and you’ll see how ours turned out


    we have grooved slats on one tank here and I won’t get them again tbh, they don’t clean aswell as normal slats, can’t say they’ve any more grip over normal slats too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 400 ✭✭Panjandrums


    That's a big excavator for a farm, looks like you hit rock?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭Grueller




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Yes down the line I will put in cubicles. When the job is fully done it will a U shaped tank and feed barriers with 130 cubicles in the shed. I decided to go with the grooved ones as I have them on the collecting yard tank.


    It's a 70 tonne Hitachi digger that was brought up from the quarry. Hit rock after 1ft of digging. That digger had the power to dig it straight out of the ground. There was a 21 tonne with a breaker to break out the corners at the end but other than that the rest was dug out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭green daries


    Is it yere own digger David as in do ye run a quary yourself ( or other family etc ) just wondering Is all . ( I suppose nosyness 😁😬)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    No, my parents own the land but there is another person who rented the quarry from them and operates it. They own the diggers and he dug out the tanks. I'm very lucky to have them there, otherwise I'd have massive digger bill because all the rock would have to be broken out



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya definitely very lucky as they say every little helps 😁

    On an aside but related I suppose the quarry is a good help for all involved( I'm presuming) to have the extra income stream for your parents and it's probably helpful for a couple of reasons as in for freeing you up for on farm investment and giving your parents a bit of peace of mind kinda leading up to retirement plans ( it can be a fraught and costly time on a farm on top of your building investment etc) and the substantial machinery being nearby and the good Will to do the job 👍



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves



    Having said that the value of crushed stone that comes out cannot be underestimated either. When I did my shed in 2008/9 I had to get a good bit of stone broken out. I think it as an a 40 or 50 ton digger. He charged about 7k Inc vat at the time but I only bought 2'' down and 804 for under the silage slab and for under the shed. It was 2/3 of the tank area

    You get extra for digging out stone and I got extra for area under slab that had to be risen . I think at the time it made up 20-30% of the digging out cost. There was area's around the shed that had to be risen as well.

    I see a lad that is doing a shed at present. Because the ground was clay/gravel the sides had to be sloped at about 55 degree. This all now needs to be filled in. He will see no change out of 5-6k in stone

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,229 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    It makes a huge difference if the parents are independent, We had to build a house for the parents and then pay a nursing home, right through the time of 20% interest, You couldn't foresee it

    I was aware of the quarry for years, so knew it'd be an easy decision for him,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya it's has a huge bearing on the direction and strength of the farm development of there is another income stream. wether big or small it really helps to smooth out the transition



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,229 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Most of my relations would be worse off if I gave them the farm, they were all set up in life so better left alone.

    You could say, I supoose, they could sell it , but sure I could do that myself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,135 ✭✭✭GrasstoMilk


    Why do you need stone to back fill it ? We’ve back filled every tank here with what was left from digging out


    I would agree on having stone in the yard is no bad thing. We did a 150x 18ft 6 tank this year, took 24t digger 5 days to dig, 3 of those days were on the first 1/3 on hard rock

    covered 1km of roadways for us, was delighted




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,028 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Man digging it out said it was not good enough to go back in. I have seen it in the home place in Kerry as well what came out was not suitable to go back in. As well there was springs there and stone was needed to drain these away

    It happens in places as far as I know. He is trying to get some builders rubble and there is fill elsewhere on the farm that he could move but what ever he dose it will cost money.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    It took the pressure off us last winter to have another income there when there was no income but there was a lot of out goings. The income off the quarry wouldn't be anything substantial but it's a bonus.


    I also have to pay my parents a fixed amount each year which I began paying last year. We all agreed on this as I wanted them to be comfortable when they get older. I was going to go at cows regardless of the quarry but having access to machinery, crushed stone and a man who did all this work before did make it easier.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭green daries


    Ya great that's where I was coming from re the income stream it's great ye all got the agreement on the money side it can be very problematic on farms nowadays. Fair play to you your farm is coming along well all the best for the future



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,229 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I also had an agreement too, but I couldn't flash it at them when a nursing home was needed.

    You never know whats around the corner



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,738 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Post edited by roosterman71 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    Looks like it is. What is the idea of the 4 gates against the walls? Drafting cows into different pens for different ai straws?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    I wanted plenty of pens to divide animals, also when the holding pen is full of cattle a lot of pressure will be put on the animals at the back and the gate. Dividing up the cattle will take the pressure off the ones at the back and makes it easier to handle them. They are rarely in use but when they are used they are a great help.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    First years milking is in the books. I dried off the last cows a week ago.

    The slats are on the tank and the rest of the concrete will be finished next week. I have converted collecting yard for the cows to stand on and eat silage for the moment. Incalf heifers are still out and the weanlings will be housed Monday.

    Weanlings and cows were freeze branded last Tuesday. The in calf heifers will be done in the next few weeks.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,705 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Great photo of the tank, it will never be as clean again. Who supplied the roof for the parlour, is there an Irish agent?

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,476 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭timple23


    I saw your post about the suction cups on fb, these ones below are the same as the ones that are up on donedeal, you can flip the plate around and bolt the plexiglass to it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,484 ✭✭✭✭Reggie.


    Just be wary of them. They don't like to be moved often. Seen a few baler screens cracked after the monitor fell off the window with those



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    Just finished in time for Christmas. The cows and heifers will be moved across to it next week. I want to leave the concrete harden as much as I can before I drive on it. There is a 2ft drop down into the shed. I'll make a ramp down for bedding and I'll raise the floor next summer.

    The pillars for the shed went in now, because I plan on roofing the shed down the line. The wall is 8ft hight, I put it in for shelter during the spring. When the wind blows down the valley that yard gets very cold. The silage apron is 13ft wide and I left the wall at the end so I can scrape along the feed barrier and load it off the wall. I plan on doing a wall the whole way around the yard over a few years so it will be fully secure.

    I'm glad it worked out as well as I planned and it will be a big saving on labour going forward. If the system works well I'll try work with it for a few years before putting in cubicles and another tank down the side of the shed where the two gates are.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭kk.man


    What was the purpose of the old stone two story building, David?...you done a great job with the round roof on it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    It was a hay shed dating back to the 1800's a storm back in 2013 took the roof off it. We got it restored. I keep machines in it now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,892 ✭✭✭Odelay


    Its a fine shed. Haven't seen many hay sheds like it, the farm must have been very big back in the 1800's?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    It was a few hundred acres. They milked 100 cows up to the 1930s. There was three identical cows houses on the three yards but I knocked it to put in the collecting yard. The yard I'm in was the main yard. My cousins are farming the other ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭kk.man


    Beautiful shed not many that size in this country. I think the round roof adds to it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    A round roof was added in the 1950's it was slate up till then. The shed is 4 spans long and 1 span in depth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,182 ✭✭✭davidk1394


    This is the shed from the other side. The wall on this side was knocked out years ago. It's a brilliant shed to dry sticks in. Any excess concrete from doing the silage apron and pad did the floor in the first span of this shed. Always handy to have a place to pour excess concrete.



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