When do you think it will all end? They are talking about a 4th jab now ffs

Del Griffith · 26-12-2021 2:01pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118365702#Comment_118365702

"The core of his argument relies on the assumption that COVID-19 vaccines do not have a significant effect on transmission. This has been repeatedly confirmed to be false in multiple studies. "

LOL - whatever about the original, the author of this 'rebuttal' might want to post an update. To be fair it was written in May, in hindsight today its of course plain as day that the vaccines do **** all for transmission.

Del Griffith · 26-12-2021 2:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118374066#Comment_118374066

Odd first sentence. So you will believe that the vaccines will end this? Even after their abysmal failure at this globally, including countries with 90+% vaccinationed populations?

They lesson symptoms. That's it. Taking it or not taking it won't end the spread or restrictions or boosters or mutations or anything else.

26-12-2021 2:15pm

A 4th vaccine? Joke tbh.

should be like the flu, in my years I’ve had only 26, which is less than 4.

… no wait that’s not right

kippy · 27-12-2021 9:36am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361813#Comment_118361813

At some point this becomes part of the 'flu'. The flu has an annual vaccine that is given to the elderly and the vulnerable. The flu unfortunately kills about a thousand people per annum. The majority of the population build up somewhat of an immunity to it having gotten a variation of it over the years. When that point is is hard to know but Omicron probably presents us with the best chance so far of a long lasting immunity through infection for a large proportion of the population without significant loss of life. Sure boosters will be needed for some and annually for the older in society.

It's a pain in the backside at this stage but it will eventually fade into the background.

Ozvaldo · 27-12-2021 9:50am

Ireland will be told when to end it as at the moment we are incapable of making our own decisions ,we are the biggest sheep in Europe we should be called Chris.

Jimi H · 27-12-2021 10:20am

Hopefully the numbers will peak in the next week to 10 days. It certainly seems a lot milder and that will hopefully be confirmed in next week’s hospital numbers. There has been a suggestion by some that we are seeing a more mild illness because of the level of immunity in the community.

I expect current restrictions to stay until end of January. Some restrictions to be lifted in February and we can open up around or after Paddy’s Day.

I think there’s a lot of variables that can go either way between March to August/September which will determine if governments start locking down again next winter. Anti virals, better vaccines, variants etc.

Whatever happens over the next 2-3 weeks, the government need to come up with a long term plan of living with this. I do see a place for NPHET but they should be part of a wider group where business, mental health etc are taken into account and the quality of our lives need to be at the forefront. Perhaps some members of NPHET also need to be replaced. The government and HSE also need to get their act together generally with the health services.

sydthebeat · 27-12-2021 10:25am

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Who stole all your punctuation???

God damn them!!!

lawred2 · 27-12-2021 10:28am

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Why aren't you getting annual flu jabs?

Ozvaldo · 27-12-2021 10:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118377055#Comment_118377055

Your mam fella.

sydthebeat · 27-12-2021 10:30am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118377064#Comment_118377064

Ah now the lack of grammer makes sense.

Hope your enjoying your break off school and santy came to ya :)

Ozvaldo · 27-12-2021 10:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118377070#Comment_118377070

Oh god he uses the word santy.

Wanderer78 · 27-12-2021 10:41am

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what a load of crap, its clearly obvious that gates is controlling all of this!

27-12-2021 7:51pm

Take the 3rd one and all the ones that come after it. You are not that busy. No, no need to complain, just take 2 hours out of your day every few months and just get it done. No need to think about it, complain about it or try to get around restrictions. Just get it done. One day it will end, you don't need to worry about when just yet as you are being asked to do so little that you could just get it done without causing any fuss and probably don't on your way to the supermarket so you don't have to waste a trip. It is easy, be a good responsible person, cop yourself on and just get it done. Hush now, you are spending more time complaining on the internet that it would take to just get it done. Cheer up, but get it done please. We al need to protect eachother and minimise the resources required by the health service so the backlog for everything else can start to be cleared. Thank you.

astrofool · 28-12-2021 1:32pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118380713#Comment_118380713

That's not how the immune system works. You are exposed to bugs and virus all the time, unless you wrap yourself in cotton wool and stay in a hermetically sealed bubble, your immune system is always at work in one way or the other.

But this is the second time today something similar has been posted (on a different thread) so there's probably been some new agey homeopathic moon god research paper released on the subject.

28-12-2021 4:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118380713#Comment_118380713

What's your expertise in immunology? Do you think the annual flu vaccine over stimulates the immune system? More likely is that you're pushing claims that simply aren't true.

cheezums · 28-12-2021 4:29pm

All antibodies wane after a time but we retain a memory to quickly produce them again. Constant jabs to keep your antibodies up does not make scientific sense. I am surprised the vaccine academics, the ones not attached to corporations are not more vocal about this.

Furze99 · 28-12-2021 4:32pm

It'll be over when the public isn't arsed to engage anymore with it. What will be telling is how the dose for primary school children is accepted or not. It will hopefully soon become like the flu vaccine and those who are vulnerable or inclined to take it, can avail of it. And the majority can ignore.

But we're not at the point of public rejection yet. The lines queuing for boosters will tell you that, however at same time surely one of the reasons they are are moving through the age cohorts more quickly now is that takeup is less overall, particularly below 70.

touts · 28-12-2021 5:42pm

All the anti-vaxxers talking about rights should consider their responsibilities. It's a two way street.

But ok no one should be forced to take a vaccine. But no one should be forced to serve them, or entertain them or feed them etc. If you refuse to live up to your responsibilities as a member of society you should not expect to avail of the full benefits of being a member of that society.

28-12-2021 9:18pm

Read up some on autoimmune disorders, cytokine storms

The vaccines cause a relatively small number of cells to make spike proteins in a relatively small area, and that relatively small area is then dealt with by immune cells. The vaccine does not continuously replicate cells and therefore there is no pro-inflammatory feedback loop that can be maintained and cause a cytokine storm. Suggesting that vaccines can cause a cytokine storm if you take enough of them is a very bizarre statement to make, and is nonsensical.

What can, however, theoretically cause a cytokine storm is COVID itself. Therefore, if you are concerned about that, I would highly recommend that you get vaccinated and boosted to minimise that possibility.

Unlike yourself, I will not recommend that you "read up" further on cytokine storms as the statement you made shows a misunderstanding of very basic medicine. Instead, I would suggest that you assume that the medical experts know better about medicine and have already considered such things in their trials.

Man Vs ManUre · 28-12-2021 9:24pm

I’ve had the same number covid vaccine’s as ManUre have European cups.

astrofool · 28-12-2021 9:44pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118383245#Comment_118383245

Do read up on them, use text books, not twitter and facebook, even wikipedia would be a humongous improvement from wherever you're getting your current misinformation from.

29-12-2021 8:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118384224#Comment_118384224

I'm pretty confident that your consultant is not telling you to not get boosters...

Mr rebel · 30-12-2021 11:03am

After having two bad reactions that have completely wiped me out now, I am absolutely done. It’s grand for those who only have a little sore arm but for those of us it causes severe aches and fever in, the thought of having to put up with this potentially four times a year is too much. And I’m sorry if that makes me come across as insensitive but enough is enough.

A once a year booster is a different story though and I would take that, but 3/4 times a year is far too much when it causes such severe reactions in otherwise healthy people.

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2021 11:21am

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Yeah that's a fair summary of what has happened this year. There's no way of knowing if it's a trend which will continue or if it's just what happened this year. Time will tell.

It appears that imunity wanes from about 3 months for both infection and vaccinations. So national vaccinations in the winter is very likely. The most likely way out is if the virus becomes less dangerous so that it couldn't overwhelm the health service. That would be ideal.

It's interesting to see some people complain about restrictions and others complain about having to get a booster. But I think there's a huge overlap between those groups. The more people who don't get their head around getting boosters to avoid restrictions, the greater the likelihood of getting restrictions.

Donald Trump · 30-12-2021 11:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118361717#Comment_118361717

It's a far better investment to spend it on cheap vaccines than to spend it on expensive ICU beds for unvaccinated (by choice) people who wouldn't have needed them if they had been vaccinated

Larbre34 · 30-12-2021 11:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118389878#Comment_118389878

I also had a bad reaction to the Moderna booster but who is talking about four times a year into the future?

El_Duderino 09 · 30-12-2021 11:50am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118389878#Comment_118389878

I suppose the question for you is which is worse: the likelihood of restrictions or the reaction to the booster?

Immunity BEGINS to wane after 3 months so the likelihood is a vaccine ahead of winter and maybe another vaccine in the year. Would you do 2 vaccinations a year to help avoid restrictions?

Wibbs · 30-12-2021 12:00pm

We need better vaccines and they're coming. The current ones are too leaky and temporary. As far as infection is concerned anyway. As far as protection against serious illness and death they've been pretty bloody brilliant.

If vaccines long term turned covid into a "headcold' for the majority and the vulnerable were protected by boosters when required then I don't see why we need to live under constant restrictions. It's quite simply not workable long term.

It appears we got lucky with omicron in that it's looking much milder and more infectious which should throw some sort of herd immunity into the mix. And that was bloody lucky. We keep hearing that viruses get weaker over time, but that's utter bollocks. Omicron could have been more infectious and more deadly.

When do you think it will all end? They are talking about a 4th jab now ffs

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