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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Andrew life is too short for this ****



  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Dr Fred


    It’s typical Eire Civil/Public service small minded attitude.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭Mongfinder General


    My place is odd. Senior management seem to have a serious hard on for working onsite. About 95% are happy working from home. The place remains open for anybody who wants to work in the office. But I get the feeling that the carrot will be replaced by the stick as soon as the Covid threat weakens. We were attending one day a week for a couple of months. But no work was getting done by those onsite on these days. It was basically just an opportunity to meet up and go for coffee and talk nonsense. The need for a premises or a large building, the impact and influence of senior management is now in question. What are they needed for when work is getting done by the minions at home?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    The eternal question, why are management needed, sure everyone is able to work by themselves with no one in charge?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yes indeed, looking out for your colleagues, generally the less well off colleagues, is just so small minded, isn't it?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭Dr Fred


    I meant whinging for extra money for negligible heating costs, compensation for use of your home space etc etc.


    you can’t see it which makes it so much more apt for PS/CS layabouts….



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Your last one, "thanks to mandatory WFH", yeah...WFH caused them to catch covid.

    Mandatory WFH caused them to not have a room with a spare bed, just ICYMI



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,900 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    Similarly, no one needs to improve their working relationships, to access their employees social skills or attitude for doing other things, or to talk about possible process changes.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    And for people who don’t even have the luxury of a spare bedroom at all? Is WFH to blame for the architectural choices made as well?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Most of us are pretty happy in the CS/PS let's not lump us in with him. He wants to seem great to his fellow human but drop them at a hat to further himself



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    He does seem unique and entitled, his posts wreak of all of it. Plenty of people are delighted to be WFH to get away from him, I’m sure.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Oh I know people like that where I work. They can be the nicest to you and good friends but once they go higher in grades they get like business. An example is you are sending an attachment and its done wrong most well email you back sorted others will email higher bosses and make a complete song and dance and then takes much longer



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,160 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Since I started working from home I have seen the following benefits;

    More time for fitness - lost 1.5 stone since March 2020 and playing sport actively

    More involved with the local community and we know the neighbours a whole lot better than before Covid.

    More time with the children in the mornings and evenings.

    Eating healthier - no rushed lunch rolls or manky sambos - time for a decent lunch and dinner preparation.

    Less driving and traffic

    Work is also going great!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The difficulties of WFH for people who don't have adequate space at home have been detailed at length here. The problems of sitting at a kitchen chair and table, or a bedroom dresser for 8 hours five days a week are obvious to most. Do you want to go back over them again?


    Who did I 'drop at a hat' and when did I drop please?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    It is a phrase which means you will let loose anyone if it means furthering your own prospects. When will you do it I would say whenever it suits if not for immediate gain buy in the future when the opportunity arises



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    So just to be clear, you're criticising me for something you believe I will do in the future, not for anything that I've actually done?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,863 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    It was not you exactly I was criticising exactly but it was more your duplicity od seeming helpful to someone's face while in the main playing the game and not really giving a crap about the fellow employees in the main unless they get something out of it to further there cause.


    But this been the Internet you could just wanting to seem like the big man and inreality do not believe anything you say on here and are just playing a character



  • Posts: 0 Gwen Tall Dart


    As a retired hard working public servant, I really take exception to the presumption that all public servants are layabouts. I’ve seen people in private sector not exactly working at 100% efficiency (to put it mildly) who would never have coped if put in my particular multi-tasking public service working environment. Yes there are layabouts in PS as in private sector, mainly on managerial level in my own particular experience and I have done the work of two people people simply because it invariably fell back on me because “you’re good at this stuff”. There were lazy managers who took the credit of people earning well under €40K. People would stay simply because of the pension.

    Post edited by [Deleted User] on


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    I think this could be more of an issue in the PS/CS than private sector. A whinger like Andrew could be moved on in the private sector, but will happily stay put where he is and whinge incessantly until retirement in the PS/CS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,454 ✭✭✭✭Frank Bullitt


    You can try all you want, everyone (bar one other poster) in here sees through all of your carry on as well when it comes to this. You deal in extreme situations, no one will sit in one spot for 8 hours without moving, at home or in an office.

    People don’t need to be baby fed the ability on how to WFH, this is clear considering the sheer amount of people requesting the ability to continue to do that, or a hybrid of it. You’re in the minority with all of this, a big song and dance because you want compensation to up your house at someone’s else’s expense. A good employer will do that they have to to supply you with an adequate home set up, if they don’t, change jobs. But it sounds like you’ve a cushy number, so you make a racket about it in here but not to your employer. It’s on YOU to do something about it.

    As for the rest of us, we have and will continue to do quite alright WFH. Do you know why? Because we are adults with the ability to look after ourselves, your lack of ownership over your own situation just shows poor judgement and immaturity when it comes to this. You want your cake and to eat it, take some responsibility and be realistic, don’t sit in an uncomfortable position (or any prolonged position) for a long period of time, get up and walk, change locations, stretch, do yoga, be a grown up!

    But, you won’t, you’ll rant about a dangerous work environment (it’s YOUR house), and blame everyone else, like you always do.



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  • Posts: 0 Gwen Tall Dart


    I worked in public service from 1979 until taking early retirement a couple of years ago. The pension back then was the big draw, and really you just stayed and whinged to achieve that pension. I am really blessed now in my situation, but it could be very frustrating being stuck there just to get the pension. Don’t get me wrong, I loved hard work and was very busy much of my time, like ms y of my excellent colleagues who put in 100%. But those who slacked really did not pull their weight, and got away with this more at some of the higher grades. One of the managers was even running own business, some of the appointments and discussions taking place during working hours. But they were untouchable. I and colleagues tried to whistleblow over certain even much worse wrongdoings, but they would employ some figure from likes of eg, Carr Communications, to mediate. Nothing would be resolved. At best the offending individual would be moved sideways. There was a great deal of nepotism in the system too.

    It would be very wrong to paint every public servant with same brush. And of course there were managers of impeccable character, one remains a good friend of mine and they were literally left out to dry. It’s the toxic people though, who made what should have been a very pleasant working life, horrible at times.

    Unfortunately micro management was a big thing in my organisation, and WFH could only be fine in a very limited basis as we were handling a lot of physical stock. I believe the paranoid little managers were doing their but during times when everyone was required to WFH, doing write-ups and providing social media content etc.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thing is, there will always be outliers, that's just the way the world works.

    For Andrew and Bumble, they can't see past these outliers.

    For the rest of the world the following applies

    • WFH is great for the majority of employees
    • The majority of employees do not want to be in the office full time simply because they don't need to be there to do their work.
    • There is a minority who want to be in the office either because their home situation (lack of space, kids, unsafe home) doesn't allow for WFH or they miss socialising.

    Numerous studies posted in this and other WFH threads across the site have reinforced the above 3 points.

    As for reimbursement for heating and electricity, there is a tax allowance for these. It's pittance but the amount saved from commuting, lunches etc means the majority of employees are far ahead in terms of savings when WFH. Again, the outlier here is those who work very close to home where commuting costs were never a factor.

    As for E, H & S legislation, there is nothing about WFH that absolves employers of their responsibilities here. Most are meeting the requirements through providing equipment needed and remote surveys and follow up calls to ensure compliance. Again there are outliers here too which should be reported to the relevant authorities.

    After that Andrew and Bumbles arguments can be summarised per the below

    I think that covers it



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,540 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Excellent NY Times article about the installation of air filters in US office buildings to help stop the spread of airborne covid. In addition, a lot of offices are adding outdoor meeting areas too.

    There has been a huge focus on HEPA air filters in schools. The need is clearly a similar need for clean air in indoor offices, especially in offices where windows cannot be opened.




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,658 ✭✭✭storker


    Management is still needed to provide direction and leadership and maintain an overview of what's being done. That doesn't require a physical presence , though (depending on the industry and type of work, of course), and the good managers know it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    I would have thought good managers, no matter what sector they work in, are good because the assess what works best. You seem to be linking good management with wfh, should we take it that bad managers are the ones who require physical presence? Seems a bit silly, a bad manager might support wfh, a good manager might require physical presence, why pigeonhole them?



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭Christy42


    Outside of certain jobs that require it if a good manager needs physical presence then they are no longer a good manager. They may well have been in the before times but it will be a slightly different skillset going forward for managers in most fields. Many bad managers will be fine with wfh and will still be bad managers however the post is saying that good managers know that the world is going wfh which is true, it does not say that everyone in favour of wfh is a good manager which is what you have read into it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭Dav010


    So office work = bad manager, wfh = good manager. Simple as that.

    What BS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 894 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Senior Manager here... I work from home with a completely remote team.. We still need a manager and the results and the team decide whether I'm any good.

    Anyway, reason I post is that I'm in the office today, the building, although scaled down can hold about 800ish... I'm one of only two people in.

    Shame the canteen is closed as I have to go out and get coffee but I only have two days to work so working in the earie silence is fine by me. Happy to be not working from the table in the front room.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,876 ✭✭✭bokale


    Two people using office space that holds 800? Expensive per head!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,939 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Does your 'if your employer is breaking the law, change jobs' policy apply to ALL employment protections, or just to me? As noted repeatedly, it's not about me. It's about employers meeting their legal obligations to provide a safe workplace, whether that it at home or in the office or on site or on the road. The same obligation applies. There's a reason why decent employers have done ergonomic assessments of workstations for decades now. They didn't say 'do yoga and grow up'. They got an expert to see the workstation, see the employee sitting at the work station, talk to them about their work practices, and make professional recommendations about what needs to change in terms of furniture, equipment or work practices.

    Funnily enough, there's not a huge amount that I disagree with here. But let's see what I can find.

    1) You don't get to evade legal obligations by saying 'that's an outlier'. Employers are legally obliged to provide safe workplaces for all employees, outliers or otherwise.

    2) Civil Service employment guidance ignores your third bullet, those for whom WFH doesn't work. Remote surveys and follow up calls might help to address ergonomic issues, provided that follow up addresses provision of any furniture or equipment to make the workplace safe.

    3) 'Reporting to relevant authorities' such as HSA is very unlikely to bring any satisfactory outsome. I've reported far bigger issues than this to the HSA in the past and seen negligible response.

    4) Not everyone makes savings on commuting or lunch. I commuted by bike, and brought my lunch in with me, the same lunch that I'm eating at home now. I was far from unusual on either of these practices.

    I think that covers it.



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