Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

I was in limerick city on Christmas Eve at 1pm, a lot were gathering outside Penny's every other street was quiet enough and inside the shops were fairly quiet too.

I've no idea what Hoolohan is talking about

It would be madness extending and bringing in more restrictions. We have to live with COVID. The government should try and persuade those non vaccinated to get vaccinated although it might be in vain and open society fully. Watch them do the opposite.

The unvaccinated aren't the problem, I reckon with omicron the unvaccinated will most likely be recovered or dead by February.

The government should ask NPHET for expert modelling on this and Target a full reopening by then

The more people who are unvaccinated are pushed to get the vaccine the more they dig in. It is there choice, nor should the government continue with the ridiculous covid cert all that does is fuel the opinions that people are being coerced to get the vaccine. If the vaccines are working then anyone without the vaccine is accepting the risk and that should be accepted by everyone without having restrictions imposed on them either there is a choice or not.

They're not accepting the risk if they are still disproportionately taking up hospital beds. That's why the COVID pass still exists, not as coercion (those remaining are too far gone down the rabbit hole to give up now) but to, hopefully, reduce the numbers they get infected in and keep them away from hospitals.

If covid and these restrictions have illustrated anything it's that sanctimony is alive and well in this country. Society is as sick now as it was under the church. The moralising just takes a different form.

I think I should have said Dec 23rd.

A family member said the shops in Dublin CC on that day were absolutely jammed.

This person is not of a nervous disposition so weren’t in the slightest concerned about being in large crowds, in fact they enjoyed the normality of it all and seeing so many not living in fear.

All the stats are here, knock yourself out:

ICU and Hospital Admissions - CSO - Central Statistics Office

So you are in favour to treating people differently depending on their choices. What I want is everyone treated the same with the same access to everything everyone else has. Pearl clutching for me is people like you who are happy up there on the moral high horse as they have some one to beat with a stick because they made a different choice to you.

I was in the crescent (huge shopping center) that day, place was like a graveyard. Which while I accept it was not normal it was a very comfortable way to do the shopping

Each to their own but when the CMO is advising against it it's probably not good from the point of view of restrictions

I'm glad your family member felt it was a nice sense of normality but scenes like that are going to unfortunately lead to more cases and more restrictions.

There's nothing that person (or any single person) could have done about it though to be fair so might as well enjoy the atmosphere while it lasts

The whole point of having to take choices is that there are different outcomes, you seem more than happy to let lots of people die with a "let it rip" plan yet seem overly concerned about those who are one of the reasons for the restrictions to last longer (the unvaccinated) you are a complete and utter hypocrite in this regard hence the pearl clutching comments. Of course you won't see this and will continue to call for letting it rip while being aghast that people choosing not to get vaccinated face restrictions (and just to make it clear, I think within country restrictions will be gone this year, hopefully by Spring, international restrictions for unvaccinated are going to be around for years so you have many years of pearl clutching and railing against other countries ahead of you, I'm sure the US, Australian, Chinese etc. governments will take your position seriously).

Nah, the state taking half of my income is plenty, thanks. You already know this is an issue with efficiency and not funding anyway.

I don’t believe that the prerequisite to having a free society is having X number of icu beds. And I don’t think that “look what other people are doing” is a way of determining right from wrong - I don’t think you do either.

And just a reminder, we’re talking about 300 people out of 5,000,000 in a month :)

There has been a cohort since this started to always point the finger at somebody.

Italian Rugby fans, People at Cheltenham, pubs, people queing for fish and chips, joggers, meat factory workers, Bulgarian fruit pickers, Berlin Bar, takeaway pint drinkers, non essential retail, people not wearing masks properly, public transport capacity, traveller funerals, Brazilians, unvaccinated, unboostered people, wrong type of masks, it goes on and on and on.

They have all been proven to be complete and utter Bollox. And the nastiness of the humans pointing the fingers exposed.

Yep and not forgetting blaming the under 12's and soon will be using the coercion on the parents to get them vaccinated when there is no need for them to vaccinated.

What is Tony Hoolohan on about so?

I mean yeah if I see a crazily crowded shop I'll turn around and maybe go back later, I've been doing that long before COVID though