Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Think people have made up their own minds and are sick of the pontification of Holahan and NPHET. Also with the news that the effects of this new variant is nothing more than a head cold most folks are just getting on with things.

Yep, hopefully Omicron allows that, Delta certainly did not.

Still blaming the handful of vaccinated. You really do not like them. Tell the truth you want everyone jabbed from the cradle to grave whether they want it or not. As for the trust it is you that does not have trust in them by retaining restrictions. By right all restrictions should have been lifted when the over 60's and vulnerable were all vaccinated.

I've consistently said that the last few % won't get vaccinated for whatever reasons. The passes are in place to protect the health system. The overwhelming evidence is that the unvaccinated put a disproportionate amount of pressure on the health system compared to the vaccinated, you whataboutering yourself all over the place doesn't change the facts that exist in the world that we all live in as much as you would like it to. Your hypocritical stance on COVID passes while calling for actions that would cause excess deaths makes you a big giant hypocrite.

Why would you like or not like someone based on their vaccination status? You can like or dislike someone who you think is an idiot in an aspect of their life.

What in God's name has brexit got to do with this. The virus doesn't care about politics

At this stage its hard to know what will happen next Wednesday let alone in 2 and a half months time. But the optimist in me would say while it won't be like 2019 it will be a damn sight better than 2020 or 2021.

From the CSO stats, disregarding those that did not declare their status, from August to November the percentage of those unvaccinated in hospital beds was. August 41%, September 38%, October 26.5% November 28%.

During those 4 months the percentage of those unvaccinated was around 7%, so they were over represented by between 4 to 6 times greater than those vaccinated.

Ah stop with the self loathing.

I would not put much thought into what they achieved in the past empire building. That is long gone, and even those that are left in the U.K. are not listening to England where restrictions are concerned.

Well they are doing a better job of living with covid than we are. They spent most of year without restrictions of any kind and just got on with things. Where as over here it is hard to know what they are up to. Over 92% vaccinated and still we have restrictions.

With their "plumes"

“A failed state”??? Haha get off the stage would you. You’ve no idea how good you have it. What a load of nonsense.

The CSO stats combine hospital and ICU beds so it’s murky. It’s more helpful to look at HSPC data for vaccinated data. For example the most recent update for preceding four week period showed 19% unvaccinated over-12s in general hospital with a covid positive result.

What do you reckon the vaccination percentage is for total population over 12s? I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s close to 80%. So we are roughly at 1:1.

When it comes to ICU it’s disproportionate certainly, but when you consider only the extremely sick end up in ICU, with 20% still there since June, and a percentage unable to be vaccinated due to their immune systems too compromised to risk any small adverse effect, and a sizeable number of marginalised and non-English speakers, plus pregnant women, it’s not illogical that there’s a disproportionate number of unvaccinated in ICU. Many of them would be in there anyway, sadly.

It’s just not logical to be targeting the unvaccinated at this stage. Vaccination prevents serious illness and death, in the elderly and vulnerable groups, but with those groups almost universally vaccinated, the unvaccinated are barely a blip in the radar.

Source for 90% over 12s vaccinated?

The immunocompromised are as a group able to be vaccinated, but for those sickest people in society - those severely ill with ongoing serious illness, they are not recommended a vaccination that may cause even the most mild of side effects, simply because they are so sick that even a slight fever would be extremely dangerous. Those are the people most likely to end up in ICU so the numbers of unvaccinated in ICU are already disproportionate for those people.

Coupled with the other examples I mentioned, you then have a high percentage of people in ICU who are labelled ‘unvaccinated’, but should not be lumped into the group ‘didn’t want a vaccine’.

It's happening whether the powers that be want it or not. I think the news that Omicron is less serious than delta and people being sick of restrictions that they are getting on with things. Government really messed up by not removing restrictions in the summer.