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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,169 ✭✭✭techdiver


    The big difference is Vincent Browne made the interviewee squirm to the point that it was obvious they were dodging the question or bluffing. What we have is a "move on" approach that is not even pointed out in reports afterwards.

    The mainstream media don't employ journalists anymore. You could call them "reporters". They report what they are either told by official channels or through their leak sources. It's all about the rush to get the tweet out first to get the most coverage.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Steveimitation



    I don't think it's nonsense at all. If they won't answer the question then a journalist can easily say "so and so seems to be refusing to answer the question". They rarely do that. And asking the question several times may not achieve a different answer but it can show an interviewee up for what they are when they are spoofing. You may not see the point but I dare say a lot of others would appreciate it. Vincent Browne at least gave the impression that he was trying to wade through the bullshit. That wasn't the case with a lot of current journalists until very recently. Again, they seemed apologetic, like "sorry I hate to ask this but...."

    And yes there isn't much proper journalism around. Journalism involves more than simply transcribing and regurgitating. It involves critical thinking - "Am i getting all the facts here?" "is this this the full picture?". in Ireland we know that typically it isn't the full picture but nowadays there is too often a lack of appetite to probe deeper. It might affect a journalist's contacts. It might alienate them a bit and to a degree it's understandable but it isn't top quality journalism. You'll probably dismiss this as garbage. Fine. You are entitled to your opinion. I just want a bit more from people in these jobs. Anyone can simply repeat what they are told.

    And I'm finger pointing at the journalists, not the interviewees. Whether they are speaking to government or health officials, the same softly softly approach is far too often used when questioning.



  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Steveimitation


    I couldn't agree more with this. There have even been several times when Micheal Martin has said to "move on" or got prickly about something and said "Come on now". And it's infuriating because often they have taken their little reprimand and left it there. How about having a bit of balls and saying "What do you mean come on like?". You can be respectful and challenging without acting like you are beneath someone like Mícheal Martin, taoiseach or not!



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Media outlets in financial difficulty suddenly start receiving vast sums of money from the state as Covid kicks in.

    Journalists bootlick the government and NPHET and fail to do their job of holding elected representatives and non-elected bureaucrats to account.

    He who pays the piper......



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Not forgetting of course that many of these journalists aspire to promotion to the staff of said politicians as well.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭Steveimitation


    That's a huge thing as well. Way too much of a love fest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭choronzonix


    This is a huge issue. Journalists should have an antagonistic relationship to powerful institutions, especially the political. This is simply not the case at all here, and I would characterise most political correspondents relationship to politicians as friendly for the most part, with the film of the odd 'hard question' or very mild 'gotcha' thrown into interviews to offer the illusion of opposition, but it is pure pantomime. A small example of this would be on twitter, where you see politicians and journalists wishing each other well on their future endeavours etc. They are more like colleagues than anything else.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I see Leo has spoken after his few days of R&R, seems very optimistic, albeit the last time he was optimistic, it didn't go well 🙄


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,906 Mod ✭✭✭✭shesty


    I don't know if this is the reason for our high covid cases, but otherwise I believe this to be true.....working at home for the entirety of the pandemic, bar 8 weeks from Sept 21 to about Nov 21 (and I only went in one day some of those weeks), - I am picking up everything my kids bring home from school.It is driving me crazy, I have looked for the doctor a lot the last few months for myself.I am not someone who gets sick a lot but this is ridiculous.Same for the kids, and I blame it on overuse of extended lockdowns, tbh.Fed up with the whole thing



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭MTU


    You wouldn’t give a child a treat if they were bold. They need to learn right from wrong, same goes here.

    The unvaccinated can’t be having it both ways.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,694 ✭✭✭Allinall


    That’s rather selfish.

    Why not get vaccinated and reduce your chances of hacking up a lung?



  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Selfish my hole... My body, my choice and all that. If I've paid for a very bloated and expensive service with my taxes, then by god I'm going to avail of it.

    Toe the line and be a good boy, take the drugs, they'll cure all that ails ya. It's for the greater good, don't ya know.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYTeTK57sCQ



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The majority of the world is selfish.

    Why don't drug addicts stop taking drugs

    Why don't people with alcohol addiction stop drinking

    Why don't smokers stop smoking

    Why don't obese people eat healthy and exercise

    Taking the vaccine is a choice like other people who can clog up hospitals have a choice.

    If we refused anyone to hospital who gives them a higher chance of ending up in hospital then we would have very people in hospitals.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    On the obese side, the government or nphet haven’t once encouraged healthy eating, exercise and weigh loss to help mitigate against c19 as far as I can remember.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    We’ve got one of the finest minds of his generation here guys.



  • Registered Users Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Stormyteacup


    I can’t see data for over 12s vaccinated in your link. If you could just give the figure? I think there are 60% of 10 to 19 year olds vaccinated, but total % for over 12s?

    I think your second paragraph is meant for someone else as I never said immunocompromised can’t be vaccinated. But a small portion of immunocompromised and otherwise very sick people will not have been advised take a vaccination- these people are more likely to end up in ICU.

    Vaccines and boosters prevent serious illness and death in the groups most at risk. There are undoubtedly fewer of those becoming seriously ill and dying. But the strain on hospitals attributed to the unvaccinated is overblown and dangerously divisive. We also have 55 more ICU beds operating this year which will give an indication as to the absolute shambles of blaming the unvaccinated in a population with 95% adults vaccinated, and a now milder disease circulating.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Just read about restrictions coming in to France on Monday. Fair enough they are getting battered at the moment and tightening up a bit makes sense given the high hospitalisations and ICU numbers but come on, some of them make no sense at all

    No eating or drinking allowed on public transport or in cinemas etc. What the actual **** is that going to do ?


    “The earth is littered with the ruins of empires that believed they were eternal.”

    - Camille Paglia



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Claire Byrne the hero for getting stuck in to Farage.

    Imagine her holding an Irish politician to account like that?

    Of course not.....

    Easy to stick it to an unpopular foreign politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,004 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Our politicians employing journalists as advisors means none of them want to go too hard incase they want to go that route in future.

    Ah, seen it was already mentioned



  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭MTU




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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I assume it prevents people keeping their mask off while they sip a drink for an hour.

    Close a loophole people possibly use to not have to wear a mask?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    The only thing they done towards peoples weight is add a 9 euro meal deal requirement to force people who wanted a drink to eat burgers and pizzas.

    They closed gyms and encouraged people to eat fast food when going for a drink if anything they encouraged people to gain weight.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    The figure for 12+ fully vaccinated is 90.6%

    Those people too seriously ill/frail who medically cannot take a vaccine would not be the ones who would end up in ICU as ICU would have no medical benefits for them. So they wouldn't be included in ICU figures anyway. Not everyone is treated in ICU unfortunately.

    There's still a debate about the milder illness, is it milder all around or is it just milder for vaccinated/recovered people?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    Those ridiculous 2k restrictions certainly weren't pro health either. I quite frankly would have never went out cycling if I had obeyed them, as it would be tedious as can be. I remember seeing a lad cycling up and down the same section of road, again and again, and to me he was a mad man, in his own head though he was probably a hero.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    If you're eating or drinking, you can't wear a mask. I'd imagine that's why.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It is essential that the government look for the details of how many people are in hospital for covid and how many are in hospital and test positive and are not being treated for Covid.

    The way this variant is going we are all going to get it the case numbers are probably 30,000 or 40,000 at this stage.

    If we keep testing everybody going to hospital for non covid related issues the numbers in hospital for Covid is going massively increase.

    If we base policy based on hospital numbers and cases then schools wont open and we will go into lockdown despite Omicron actually being what is going to end the pandemic.

    People's mental health will be destroyed looking at just hospital numbers also.

    We need to split out hospital cases by Covid related and incidental and report on that going forward.

    Hospitals will be overrun in January like every year so it's in Nphets best interests to keep restrictions or impose more to cover themselves unfortunately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    I've eventually caught up with this thread. It got way ahead of me at one stage and there were over 20 pages to catch up on! Anyway, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas. I've heard anecdotally that Covid is rampant in my locality. We hosted a small house party on the 27th. In order for people to feel comfortable, we suggested that people do a LFT before coming. There were a couple of no shows who, it turns out, were close contacts and didn't want to risk it. Fair enough.

    With regard to restrictions, the general consensus on this thread over the past week is that more restrictions are coming our way. I don't follow the numbers but from what I can gather, cases are rocketing but hospitalisations and ICU admissions aren't...is that right? If so, why would more restrictions be introduced?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,116 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    The fact that we have more ICU beds this year does not change the fact that the numbers unvaccinated in ICU are grossly disproportionate compared to those vaccinated. From the CSO figures where vaccination status is known for the 4 months August - November the percentage of those unvaccinated in ICU are. August 61%, September 60%, October 48%, November 54%.

    Those percentages for just 7% of the population are crazy. They have nothing to do with the numbers of those vaccinated in the 12 -24 age group as none that age were in ICU during those months, and little, or most likely nothing, to do with those too frail to take a vaccine, as they would not even be admitted to ICU. Other than those immunocompromised being advised to get boosters due to their conditions resulting in the vaccines waning faster, I have seen no advise for them not to availing of a vaccine due to being immunocompromised. The opposite in fact.

    Vaccines and boosters prevent serious illness and death in all groups, not just those most at risk. Hospital and ICU numbers for the unvaccinated show that. While this strain appears to cause less serious illness, could that not possibly be due to so many being vaccinated and boosted or from having recovered from a previous infection ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,807 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I would say people are fearful for restrictions because the leader of the country is on twitter advising people to avoid meeting in houses or to go shopping which are not restrictions we have in place.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I see Boris is now claiming 90% of UK ICU admissions not boosted, seems UK moving on from blaming the unvacinated for clogging up ICU beds, not a mention of course how many in UK ICU beds fully vaccinated.

    Watch this space, non boosted in Ireland will be the next pariahs in Irish Society 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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