Formula 1 2021 - General Discussion Thread (Read 1st post rules)

Ferrari will have Santander back on their car, no more "Mission Winnow"...

As against an energy drink beating a car company?

Energy drinks aren't in competition with car companies like Mercedes. It's apples and oranges. Dacia beating ferrari is an apples to apples comparison and would be far more embarrassing to the big car manufacturers than being beaten by red bull. Red Bull is a global sports brand but people still disparage it in F1 for being an energy drink company.

Is anyone honestly suggesting that F1 wants a budget car brand to be its champion?

Yeah because the S Class Merc, the Aston Martin Vantage, McLaren/BMW are real bargain bucket cars /s

Dacia is in F1, They are owned by Renault, Oh I mean the Alpine team....

Aston Martin is a branding exercise. There is no Aston Martin DNA in the F1 team. This team was originally Jordan.

Williams have always been a racing team. Now owned by an investement fund.

Red Bull were originally Stewart.

Alpha Tauri were originally Minardi.

Alfa Romeo is a branding exercise. Team is still Sauber in the company name and owned by an investment fund.

Haas are an CNC machine tool builder.

McLaren only started building road cars in the 1980s. They were a racing team long before that.

Mercedes only own 33% of Mercedes F1 team now. They were an engine manufacturer through Ilmor for a long time in the 90s and 00s. Team originally goes back to Tyrell, BAR, Honda and Brawn.

Ferrari and Renault have long history in F1 and road cars.

Less than half the grid are actually owned by, or have a direct history of making road cars that you can go out and buy today. Renault would probably be the most affordable car manufacturer to win a championship.

Of all the things to be annoyed at F1 about, presumed arrogance from them that a non existent hypothetical team may win is pretty dumb

I don't think it's anything to do with turnover. F1 sees itself as a fancypants sport. There's a reason that VW will use one of its mid-upper price point brands in F1 and won't use Skoda, if it joins, which is hasn't done yet.

Aren't Skoda still in the WRC?

So Toto now believes team principals should not be allowed contact the race director over the race radio. Hypocrite

Is there beef between Toto and Brawn?

Well Brawn sold his team to Mercedes for 2010 season. He was there as team boss and really with Mercedes investment had everything in place to deliver the results we see today. Going back in history, Brawn has delivered championships within 4 years or so wherever he has been.

Toto always intended to push him out and with the 2014 cars ready to go out and win, Toto and paddy took over.

I thought it was a disgrace at the time. He didn't see Brawn making a return to control the sport.

Not sure I agree with the ommision of Perez here...

There’s a video on YouTube (the channel I think is THERACE) that goes trough all the small wins MSC had during the course of the season, worth a watch, about 7 mins long or so. If you can’t find it I’ll post a link later with it, it’ll be in my history.