Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Exactly,

People saying well this fella didn’t explicitly say this or that fella didn’t explicitly say that like you said they did is just splitting hairs to try and score points in an Internet argument as if that makes it not true in the long run. It’s as plain as day the vaccines haven’t been as effective as they were sold to be, still doesn’t mean they haven’t been effective though and very effective.

The frustration comes from practically every other country using vaccines and every other available means to actually live with this whilst we have experts who restrict us as their primary means of dealing with it, last summer being a case in point, the rest of Europe getting on with living when they could whilst we have experts calling antigen testing snake oil and telling us to keep restrictions in place because “the greatest hurricane the country has ever seen” was coming at the end of June!

The way we have handled this in this country has basically been like an anti vaxxers wet dream, we are like the ant vaxxer poster boys of Europe, huge vaccinations, still restricted and the most restricted country in Europe for nigh on 2 years and record high infections. It takes something special to handle it that badly but hey ho, follow the science.

It isn’t the fault of the vaccines that even for a few months we didn’t have life return somewhat back to normal that honour lies with our “experts” but they now bear the brunt of the argument for what’s the point unfortunately.

568 in hospital this morning up from 521 yesterday. How many have covid as primary cause is another question though. ICU stable so far but you’d expect that to lag the hospital rise anyway.

Likely not to see any changes on those for a while.

If omicron is as transmissible as it seems to be, then surely it is inevitable that detected cases in hospital will rise.

The hse will eventually have to change the reporting to demonstrate what cases are incidental in the hospitalisations numbers.

Otherwise most of the patients in hospital will be down as covid hospitalisations

If the fascination with hospital beds and the whole for Covid/with Covid (or whatever it is) relates to a concern over increased restrictions, surely once hospital beds are taken up and capacity is gone it is fairly irrelevant why the person is in the bed.

Practical rather than academic arguments will prevail in the end when it comes to potential restrictions informed by hospital capacity.

I had major surgery this year during a break in restrictions , there is a struggle to keep operating theatres Covid free as there is a high risk of death for the patient, the more Covid admissions the less operations can take place, we’re much better off not having people in hospital for something avoidable like unvaccinated Covid

Christmas was 3 days ago but today is the first day the health service has functioned on staffing levels that aren't bank holiday levels.

I posted yesterday, my father won't be allowed out until today at the earliest as its the first day senior doctors are on the ward to review paitents.

My aunt is involved in discharges in a large Dublin hospital and today is the first day they have a team of 3 working on discharges instead of just 1 person over the Christmas period.

You obviously have no experience of the Irish healthcare system. The majority of those in a position to sign people out will not having been workinn over the last few days. Upon their return we will get a true picture.

The party held for Department of Foreign Affairs is a slap in the face for all the healthcare workers.

No doubt, there will be calls for resignations today.

There is a significant difference if 100 people are in hospital testing positive for covid with different reasons:

A) 100 in hospital due to covid and being treated for it.

B) 100 admitted with asymptomatic covid and treated for something else.

C) 100 contracting covid in hospital.

Under A there's alot more covid in the community and people are getting serious I'll from it. Under B there's less serious people in the community with covid and with C there's less community spread but infection prevention controls are not working in hospital.

It's the same number of beds being used, but indicate 3 different levels of spread in the community.

The wife of a friend of mine got covid at a wedding before xmas, had symptoms on 15th. Apparently, the wedding party were riddled with it.

She spread it to her family. They were all close contacts and were certain they had it too, all showing symptoms. Refused to isolate until eventually recently getting a PCR appt and results. Some were just like a cold but 1 is now in hospital.

So effectively spreading covid around everywhere over xmas because "they officially hadn't got covid"...asshats.

Hopefully we all get a mild dose with no future complications, and it goes the fcuk away.

Moderna is a half jab as a booster. That's what it was approved as. I'm not sure why you think it's a joke at this stage.

The 4-11 year old jab is 1/3 jab of Pfizer.

Just before you think the vaccinator was making stuff up and jabbing random doses into people.