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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,651 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    It will be interesting what the % is with Omicron and with boosters, will the well of people unvaccinated dry up as infections spread or will the boosters and Omicron reduce the vaccinated % being hospitalised.

    Either way, the same posters will keep trying to muddy the waters by pushing the false "can't be vaccinated narrative" even though it's been debunked multiple times (it's usual for them to slink away for a few days and then come back with the same, so you know they know that they are lying).



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,447 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    from what I can gather, cases are rocketing but hospitalisations and ICU admissions aren't...is that right? If so, why would more restrictions be introduced?

    Yet. We don't know if omicron wave will feed through into hospitalisations/ICU admissions. That is probably why government/NPHET are holding fire.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Since the restrictions lifted I’ve not worn a mask inside a pub. Never been asked to either. And I’ve been in quite a few in various different towns.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Well something is most certainly feeding into Covid19 hospital admissions, considering that they have increased by 50% in under a week.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    But in 2019, if the HSE, in its infinite wisdom, had started moving people from hospital to nursing homes, who may have had the flu but weren’t sick yet, would it likely have increased or decreased the numbers dead?

    Because that’s what they did at the start of Covid, literally opened the door of the most vulnerable for it to rip through them.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    There are 50% more people in hospital with Covid in the last week?, source please.



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Oh, I wasn't aware that hospitalisations were shooting up.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sure but reasoning may help to give a post/opinion a bit more credibility. Anyone can fire off a one liner!



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭skallywag


    Here is the hospitalization data for the last 5 days (i.e. those in hospital on that date due to Covid19) :

    2021-12-25: 378

    2021-12-26: 426

    2021-12-27: 461

    2021-12-28: 521

    2021-12-29: 568

    So an increase of 50.3% over the course of less than one week.

    These are official government statistics which can be found here: https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Mostly people would rather see actual news or failing that diverse opinions on non-COVID subjects.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,824 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    7 day admissions are 40 a day, a week ago it was 35. Something is feeding hospital figures, lack of discharges over the Christmas period and then obviously people testing positive in hospital for other reasons etc..

    You only have to look at hospital beds available over the Christmas period, 1500 free beds on Stephen's day, down to about 700 as of last night. So at least 800 non covid admissions, how many of them could have tested positive? England estimated 1 in 35 had covid last week.... That's statically 33 of them would test PCR positive to match the community. I've a feeling we've probably a higher rate than England.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,916 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    There is an undercurrent of schadenfreude in relation to how some people are viewing this situation.

    The curtain twitchers of Catholic Ireland of the past are now replaced by the tut-tutting of Covid rule enforcement types.

    Most of us are in the middle ground on this issue but as much as there are oddballs on the anti vax side they are balanced out by the dogmatic fervor of those on the opposite end of spectrum.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    The source for that 90% claim was "anecdotal evidence from some NHS trusts".

    So that all seems very legit and Boris is completely trustworthy, of course.

    Then again, considering the data coming out showing that double vaccinated people are significantly more likely than unvaccinated people to be infected with Omicron, and assuming (generously) that boosters are effective for more than a few weeks, and also assuming that the fears of the health professionals worrying about the effect of so many repeated doses of the available vaccines on the immune system are unfounded, then yeah, maybe Boris bullshitting to national propaganda outlets that will uncritically run with the 90% headline in order to scare people into being boosted is totally warranted.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    Wasn’t there a journalist early on in this, who upon asking Our Fearless Leader Tony an awkward question, found herself ignored and her microphone turned off??



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    65% of all "Covid hospitalisations" in the UK in the 2 weeks prior to December 21st were incidental findings. Probably more now. The severe illness and death rates are much lower, and hospital stays short, based on all evidence available from countries that are making it available.

    The main concern in the UK right now is healthcare workers isolating while asymptomatic or only very mildly ill, causing staff shortages.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 818 ✭✭✭moonage


    Does anyone know how much money media outlets have been given by government since Covid started compared to the years before? I assume that such information is in the public domain.

    It must be substantial given the extent that the media toe the line, go along with the narrative and never ask any tough questions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I hear you 😏 but how predictable another cohort being blamed , I give it a week and HSE Will start blaming Non Boosted for clogging up hospital's, Anne O Connor (HSE chief Spin Doctor) on morning Ireland saying they are coping really well 🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 38,349 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Its crazy that we won't be going back to 2019 normal in early-mid 2022 (hell you could say all off 2022 possibility) we will get something similar to Octobers reopening. No questions will be asked about the state of the health service with numerous groups been blamed again for the rising numbers



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,573 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Look how serious the government departments take this virus....couldnt give a fùck.....

    Also interesting to note that the government mouthpiece RTE report this story without showing the actual photo.....



    Edit: RTE are now showing the photo..but for the first few hours of the story they didnt show the pic...

    Thats either pure incompetence or not wanting to highlight that RTE were at the same thing or not wanting to upset their paymasters

    Post edited by StevenToast on

    "Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining." - Fletcher



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The head on the fella taking the picture, absolute Dickhead 😳

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Ray Wally (GP) of riddle me fame (P Kenny show) painting a grim picture on the news at one but intriguingly there is no PCR tests available anywhere and I mean anywhere. Basically he's saying those with mild symptoms need to wait for test availability, don't be bothering your GP unless serious symptoms. This would suggest as Omicron symptoms are mild, people will be waiting for PCR tests and in essence the numbers being reported not very reliable.

    Of course there's another problem with this chaos, with businesses already shuttered, those who have to isolate don't actually know they have to , without a pcr test or instruction from HSE or GP , people can not claim the enhanced illness benefit, in essence go days without pay .

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Our ambassador to the Netherlands in there as well.

    One would expect regulations and a criminal investigation, but this is Ireland....



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Penfailed


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  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hasn't Leo been talking lately about opening up in the summer to make the most of it before the annual winter shambles that is HSE capacity planning



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Ride, PJ Harvey, Pixies, Public Service Broadcasting, Therapy?, IDLES(x2)



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22


    The opposite. They shut down gyms and swimming pools and outdoor sports. They also characterised gym users as a certain unvaccinated type.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,325 ✭✭✭cuttingtimber22




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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,875 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Yes, it was in the IT that according to him we need to have an open summer along the lines of Denmark and Sweden.



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