Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

Mild so, but still, not nice. Feel better soon.

The entirety of your post is nonsense because a) the risk/reward ratio for COVID vaccines is higher than other childhood vaccines b) we have the infrastructure in place to vaccinate them quickly and cheaply because we have an ongoing booster program and c) the vaccines pay for themselves in the reduction of transmission and reduction of hospitalised patients (both from the recipient and those who it doesn't transmit to).

Your entire rambling post literally had no point to it other than "so we shouldn't vaccinate kids just because", there was no content in it that isn't handled by the above 3 facts but is pretty on note for the majority of your other posts and I expect we'll see the same postings when annual boosters come in as well with you ignoring any and all scientific evidence as you have done all the time.

But look, back up your posts with facts and sources and then a proper debate can happen. Seamus does this, rise to that level rather than digging yourself in further.

I hadn't even thought of this until GG mentioned it. Too embedded in the numbers, not looking at the wider picture.

The current isolation rules are going to make running schools and indeed most businesses fairly impossible.

I've seen lots of whinging on Twitter about bosses telling people that if they've a negative antigen and no symptoms they have to come to work.

But that seems like the only reasonable thing an employer can do without shutting down completely.

But public sector can't do that off their own bat, they can't ignore the official health advice.

So I can only see this going one of two ways;

1. Change the official health advice so that only people with symptoms and/or positive tests must isolate.

2. Go back into a functional lockdown (schools closed, businesses can stay open if they want, no movement restrictions), because it is the only practical way to maintain the health rules without causing complete chaos.

The numbers are late again today. I know we've been here before but the skeptic in me reckons there are fevered phone calls taking place behind the scenes before they announce today's record breaker.

There is a big difference between partying during a surge with thousands of people dying daily and a period with very low cases and restrictions easing, yes.

16,428 cases

And so, the highest per capita rates in Europe as suspected, though I haven't seen the Nordic numbers.

Given that PCR testing is saturated, and we are at a rate that exceeds 50%, the real case numbers are probably 25,000-30,000 per day of new infection.

Even at a low estimate of <0.1% hospitalisation, the health service is about to come under its worst onslaught of pressure since this pandemic began.

I think it makes sense that a small wealthy country in Western Europe has the highest reported rates. Nothing to see here.

Looks like closing hospitality at 8pm without question reduced the infections numbers.

I dont think we need a level 5 lockdown - most businesses are going to close anyway.

Hopefully after the next 2 weeks, we will be on the downward slide of this wave.

Dare I say, the next two weeks are crucial?

The whole western world is seeing record infections at the moment. I suspect things will look alot better at the end of January. Xmas would appear to amply infections.

I do think societies are going to need a Winter plan for the next few years. After 2 years of Covid, we know it is seasonal do a response will need to be enacted from Oct thru to March next winter