What are your thoughts on the fertiliser price s for 2022

Make your own Jadam microbial solution and apply before or during rain.

Cost negligible. And learn more.

Seawater, deciduous forest soil and mashed potatoes.

That's from the jadam book which I could get in trouble for. But anyway probably a 1000 other pages for anyone that wants to buy the book. They've shared the recipe elsewhere anyway so.

You'd get a little kick in growth from it. But really they advise multiple applications over the year. Theory being it works in the anaerobic soil depths and makes more carbon.

What’s 18 6 12 at the moment?

Ole chap was questioning us here on why money was a bit tight at the minute a few weeks ago, didn't dawn on him why till I gave him the figure of what money was tied up in the 50 ton of fertiliser sitting in the shed, have great cashflow coming in here at the minute, so can cover the above easily enough, but strict spring calving herds that might of spent the rainy day money in the backend on capital expenditure/machinery etc and are blissfully unaware that they won't be getting credit in the spring are in for a rude awakening, ulster Bank pulling the pin and obviously not going to play ball with lads with extending overdrafts etc is another fly in the ointment

You see merchants face exactly the same issue. They are looking at a 100% increase in cost. They cannot afford to carry that credit. There is a two fold issue lads that normally buy on credit would still want it and lads that never demanded it before might require up to 50% of present price.

A trader that maybe normally sold 10 million in fertlizer might have got paid for 50% straight off or within 30 days. Now he is looking at a 20 million liability and maybe only bringing in 5-6 million at or within 30 days of sale. It would be impossible for him to finance 15 million. Even if he did instead of maybe paying 3% last year banks might want 5-6% on higher borrowings this year which would eat into his profit margin. Add in normal bad very late payers and it adds risk. Because of this it's easier it to give any credit besides having to pick and choose. As well if Fertlizer is scarce it a handy way to ration it

Where the real risk might be is lads that are doing shed and concrete work over the next few weeks. They may struggle to collect payments as buying fertlizer may become a priority. I was talking to a scaffolder that dose some jobs on the side. These would mainly be small builder's or self builds. He said on self builds it's getting harder to get the money off the clients as rising material prices are impacting them

I have 40 % of fert, in yard should do me to June .

Are lads holding fire before buying for use beyond this ,it looks fert. will be dearer in Feburary and it will take a long time to drop in price

Big difference tho this spring tho moo is fertiliser ….it’s cost ….availability …lack of credit .and if cash is there and it’s spent on fertiliser now it leaves a big hole for rest of spring till April may when decent milk cheques start rolling in ….combine that with concentrate prices. Rising ..fuel ,power and increasing contractor prices it’s going to impact even the most efficient of farmers

I thought the increases in fertiliser is equivalent to 2-3c a litre

Bought a load of sulpha can for €210 in Jan 2020, paid 710 euro at start of December that’s 3.37 last years price, got 90 days credit on the 2020 fert too, take into account the craic now of payment before delivery and if your putting it onto the overdraft your ratio is heading for 3.5 last years price

Will the banks finance short term credit for fertiliser at current prices ….and is it a wise thing to do 🤔🤔🤔…we’ll all have to suck it up with high prices for next 6/8 months using spare cash to buy it could leave your account in not so nice shape next late spring/early summer especially with all other inputs going up too .I’ve enough urea and fertiliser to get me to may ….but have no plans to spread any before March and quantity spread per application will be cut ,slurry and lime will be king for early grass have full pit Of maize and meal will make up any deficit

I’d be thinking like yourself but from a beef perspective. I think any beef farmer would be in Russian roulette territory taking out bank loan for fert in current climate notwithstanding who knows price of beef next August September. It’s a case of riding it out and see what cash you have spare. Weather will also play its part - not much giving 700-800 for ton of can if we’ve a heatwave or a monsoon season.

no easy answers either way I’m afraid.

I very much doubt many of the beef lads are going to buy a whole pile of fertiliser this year. It’s going to finish a lot of lads that were border line staying at it. A lot more are going to just trim back and the main issue here is not going to be just credit on the fertiliser but they aren’t going to be able to finance purchasing more cattle either. It’s going to kill off a fair share of suckler lads that are producing middle of the road types. The good lad will always sell but it’s going to be at a price.( Bass and Jameson and anto you can stop orgasming now.)

it’s going to skyrocket the price of rental land and leave a serious glut of cattle coming into the second half of next year and 2023.

it’s going to be an interesting couple of years ahead but I’d say in one swoop there’s going to be a huge amalgamation of farms.

I’m probably way out but it’s what I’m reading from this situation.

Why is rented land going to skyrocket in price, particularly as it has just got a whole lot more expensive to fertilise it, and farmers wouldn't have the money for the fertiliser, not to mind the ground?