What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

Seeing as you reckon direct provision is a massive waste of money do u agree with Roderick o gormans push to give every asylum seeker the keys to their own pad within 4 months of arriving here?

That's the scheme. So keys to their own place and full welfare within 4 months- airlines may start putting on direct flights to Nigeria, Pakistan etc if that comes off, such will be the demand.

What's the numbers in direct provision at the minute- 8000 ish? and they have all received leave to stay here recently from the minister. She felt it was the right thing to do, which is nice.

What's the average number for family repatriation for each asylum seeker anyone know? Say 2 for the craic, seems low but anyway, that's 24k that have to be housed, full dole etc. It should help keep the housing crisis going anyway! Paddies kids can keep living at home in their 30's or else sod off to Oz, Canada etc when they reopen.

I forgot about the amnesty for the illegals, so it gets better!

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/undocumented-and-asylum-seekers-can-regularise-status-via-once-in-a-generation-scheme-1.4745369

Undocumented migrants and asylum seekers who have been in direct provision for at least two years will be able to apply to regularise their status in Ireland from January under a “once-in-a-generation” scheme.

Regularise their status is the words you're looking for bubbly it's in there somewhere, keep looking!

Eh Regularise their status is leave to stay. There has been zero deportations since covid begun, so whoever's in direct provision is getting an amnesty. Suck it up, paddy taxpayer!

Helen McEntee TD

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Dec 9, 2020

No deportations have occurred since March in respect of unsuccessful applications for International Protection

So no asylum seekers have been deported since covid hit almost 2 years ago. and the government has said in the times link above that they can Regularise their status in a once in a generation amnesty. If that isn't leave to remain I dunno what is.

Glad to help bubbly.

Not going to let the facts get in the way of a ridiculous argument, are you?

For starters, they won’t own the properties in any case? The properties will be owned either by the State, by approved housing bodies, or by private ownership. Immigrants will be accommodated according to a needs based assessment and will be required to pay rent according to their means, in a programme that is initially designed to accommodate 3,500 people per annum. There will be no impact on any “housing crisis” in Dublin as the scheme will be funded and run separately, nationally, apart from other existing schemes.

The whole point of permitting immigrants to seek employment is so that they won’t be dependent upon welfare, so they will be competing for employment opportunities with Irish people, and immigrants can not be held responsible for Paddies kids living at home in their 30s, or sodding off to Oz or Canada when they reopen. That’s entirely Paddies kids choice, same as it has been throughout history - people seeking to make a new life and opportunities for themselves abroad emigrated, and immigrated to other countries. Irish employers aren’t obligated to hold positions open for Paddies kids until they come of age, and when they do come of age, they’re competing in the open jobs market the same as everyone else. I thought we were down with the whole “people should be hired on merit” thing, no? Or is that just the explanation offered when it favours people you’d prefer were hired over others?

That’s the same sort of attempting to pit one group in society against another was seen in the thread earlier. If it’s not young people, it’s people who are homeless, or it’s people who are unemployed, or it’s some other group, when in reality it’s plain as day the person who does that, clearly doesn’t give a fcuk about any group, it’s just whataboutery to suit their purposes aimed at portraying any particular group (in this case immigrants) as responsible for other peoples circumstances.

The whole point is that it is an alternative to the current system of direct provision which simply isn’t fit for purpose. It’s all here in black and white if you’re genuinely interested in the scheme, and not just interested in stoking up resentment of immigrants as if they are responsible for anything they’re not, when it’s ultimately the people who are elected by the Irish electorate to run the country, are responsible, and currently they’re all Irish.

The reason I emphasise currently, is because I have no doubt at some point in the future there will be a politician whose ancestors immigrated here who will run for election like a one-trick pony with an anti-immigration manifesto as is happening in other countries already.

Jaysus bubbly you may get on to the movement of asylum seekers Ireland (masi) n tell them it's a lie. The poor crayturs think Christmas came early this year!

An early crimbo present delivered by minister mc enter and paid for by Irish taxpayers (naturally!)

MASI also welcomes inclusion of the people who seek international protection (Asylum Seekers) and have been in the system for two years and more. The inclusion of the people under threat of deportation also shows the inclusive approach being taken by the Minister, to include as many people as she possibly can.

It is comforting to see that the report by Catherine Day (see below) has informed some of these decisions.

The mood has suddenly changed for many people who have been stuck in direct provision for so long. Everyone is happy and sees this as an early Christmas present .”

Without large scale immigration the ponzi scheme will collapse.

I am talking about ratio of workers relative to state pensioners. Native Irish are not reproducing fast enough.

That's the hidden agenda being run by Government.

Did you even bother to read your own article this time? If there’s one thing that keeps left-leaning politicians in power, it’s aping right-wing politics to decimate support for right-wing parties.

Frederiksen in 2019 -

Frederiksen “has refused to make concrete promises, except when it comes to immigration,” Politiken said. For that, her pledge is to keep tough curbs passed by the current government in place.

Under pressure from the far-right, Denmark has spent the last two decades cracking down on immigration all in the aim of protecting its prosperity and social cohesion.

Until recently these policies earned stern criticism from the left, including the largest party, the Social Democrats.

The party is led by Frederiksen, who herself has been a stern critic of Denmark's tough stance towards immigrants. 

In the early 2000s, she denounced Denmark's policy as one of the “toughest in Europe”.

But eyeing power Frederiksen changed tack and the move paid off as her party topped the vote ahead of the Liberals.

Frederiksen in 2021:

The PM said that she wanted to reduce asylum applications in Denmark to zero during comments in parliament.

“That’s what our target is. Of course, we can’t promise it,” she said.

“We can’t promise zero asylum seekers but we can create a vision, like we did before the election, that we want a new asylum system and then do what we can to implement it,” she continued.

It’s not really a novel approach, politicians tell people what they think people want to hear all the time in order to gain or maintain power. What’s novel about this approach is it’s insincerity - don’t promise anything, don’t have to deliver on anything either, and still hope to be re-elected in 2023. Fredriksen has managed to create a Land of Promises that her party clearly has no intention of delivering on.