All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

Because different factor and variables come into it. The best way to compare countries is compare where a country was 12 months ago compared to now, one country might have great health care and the other might now, different variables come into it so the best way to compare is compare a country with itself from 12 months ago. Oh and who said its because of the vaccines? The people who profit from the vaccine's I presume? The definition of a vaccine is that it provides immunity against a virus...and yet with a 94% vaccination rate we have the highest number of cases since the start of the pandemic. But ofcourse the vaccine salesmen will use the virus being in an endemic stage as an excuse for the vaccine working...great marketing on their part.

Ah yes a company with affiliation to Pfizer to name just one company. I dont believe the vaccine works because I dont believe data from a company that directly profits from a vaccine's distribution. If the vaccine works then the restrictions wouldn't be necessary and the "case" numbers would be at record highs. The fact both of these are true tells you the reality of the situation no matter how much these vaccine salesmen try to twist the numbers to make it look as if the product they are promoting is a success.

I dont believe the numbers because the organisation releasing the data are also promoting the vaccine and therefore are only going to show numbers that promote the vaccine efficiency. The fact is if there was genuine confidence in the vaccine we wouldn't be back under restrictions or seeing record number of cases, what exactly are the antibodies doing? As soon as the government ends all restrictions then I might believe its efficency but as long as restrictions remain then we know the answer about the vaccine, I mean why keep emergency powers when 94% of the population are vaccinated with apparently such an effective vaccine, where's the emergency?

Here you go. Knock yourself out.

Data from the CSO and I was being generous only using the data from those that declared their vaccine status. I would find it much more likely that those who did not declare their status would be more in the unvaccinated category than those vaccinated.

In every country around the world that is reporting similar data?

Nope just there seems to be a total conflict of interests here, especially when cases and going up and restrictions are added...does that sound like a country that believe's the vaccine is working when 94% are vaccinated?

The hse should obviously be getting the vaccines from Danger Dave in the alley behind Centra.

Thats the REAL STUFF!

I dont think its insane to question data from a company with clear conflict of interests and bias towards the vaccine? The whole narrative when the vaccine was being rolled out was "you're not going to get covid", the definition of a vaccine and purpose is so you don't catch a disease...well here we are with a 94% vaccination rate and record number of cases and restrictions being added which tells us that the vaccine is a tremendous failure. A success would be allowing us back to normal life but we arent because the vaccine failed.

Yep, also ask where they are getting their data from?

Because the simple way of looking at it is if their data is correct then that would surely mean we would have less cases and less restrictions when instead we have the opposite...both cant be correct, it obviously means someone is telling a porky here. Or it could be the vaccine producers other ploy in order to sell booster shots so they make another big profit...

Ill believe the vaccine is effective when the restrictions end, not when some vaccine salesman tells me thank you.

Where is the clear conflict of interest where the Central Statistics Office is concerned in being, to quote your own words "vaccine salesmen"?

They CSO, or indeed for that matter the HSE, did not order the original regime of vaccines directly from the producers. That was done by the E.U. with the amount relative to our population size. Same as for all other E.U. countries.

Are you somehow suggesting that the CSO overinflated our population size in 2016, knowing this pandemic was due three years later, so they would somehow get a headage payment on vaccines from a company that not only had not developed these vaccines yet, but where the CSO had no idea what company would be supplying them. Even for this thread that is abject rubbish.

We were never told by anyone in relation to vaccines "you`re not going to get Covid" We were told they would greatly reduce the risk of serious illness and death. Something you are refusing to acknowledge from the statistics you have been provided with calling them fraudulent. What is fraudulent is your posts of refusing to acknowledge statistics, while at the same time attempting to play around on "the suppose" basis on statistics from independent authorities similar to our CSO to prove your argument.

Where are they getting their data from? Check who's producing the data and check their affiliations, probably wont have to dig far to find a vaccine production company or organisation.

Yes we were, that was exactly what was said, then of course when it was proven that the vaccine wasn't effective they starting moving the goal posts showing that they have absolutely no credibility or integrity. Nope I just wont take fact's from companies connected to a vaccine producer or organisation as gospel as they will only ever tell you the side of the story that will net them a profit.

So have we moved on now from all Covid 19 restrictions will be permanent to forget about that opening post; apparently the vaccines don't work and the HSE & CSO are engaged in falsifing data that no one other than conspiracy theorists can spot; in order to profit from the vaccine sales? Should this thread be closed and a new one opened along the lines of General Covid conspiracies, whatever you are having yourself?

If you cant see the conflict of interests and think it's just a conspiracy then you really are beyond saving.

They dont work because the cases have increased and looking across Europe the vast majority who are testing positive are vaccinated. You only know what the HSE and CSO are telling you but you don't know what they aren't telling you, and considering the HSE are responsible for pushing the vaccine they are only going to promote data that supports their product, its pretty obvious. Its proven to not be a conspiracy because the number of cases and restrictions show that the talk of this vaccine being highly effective is bullshit, the primary role of a vaccine is to stop you getting infected by a virus, but right now Ireland with the 2nd highest vaccination rate in the EU has the highest number of cases in all of Europe and record number since the pandemic began, that looks like a tremendous failure and in fact things are even worse with cases now then before the vaccine came.

I would advise actually using your brain and put two and two together.

Considering we have more cases now than we did this time last year when there was no vaccine that would indicate that the vaccine is the complete opposite of 100% effective, in fact it seems totally ineffective.

Yeah exactly so that vaccine is a failure, they were already backtracking even back then.

So what has the vaccine done? The definition of a vaccine is that it stops someone getting infected, if the vaccine was even moderately effective than we would see signs of it in the cases reported this year but the cases are actually worse. If anything the theory of shedding from the vaccine causing more infections is now backed up as the situation in terms of cases is the worst it's been.

No the low rate of hospitalisations is because the latest variant is much more mild than the previous one but ofcourse the vaccine salesmen will then say its because of their vaccine of course. No its significantly better due to the virus mutating to a more mild variant.

When infections are high they blame the variant

When hospitalisation are low they credit the vaccine

cant you see the blatant lies?

I know exactly how vaccines work, they prevent someone being infected, in December 2021 we have had record number of infections because the vaccine doesnt work, thats why restrictions have been added because if the vaccine worked the government wouldnt need to add any. Stop listening to what the vaccine salesmen tell you about their product just stick to the facts.