Covid vaccines - thread banned users in First Post

Similar tactics to other CT’ists. Throw tantrum, name call and then ignore because you can’t handle discussions on a forum that so for eh, discussions.

not appears that you want to be a martyr and go the death by mod route.

Until he starts asking you too many questions you don't want to answer, then you'll throw a tantrum about him as well.

You don't need to get so upset. Just explain what you position is without lying and misrepresenting facts. Present your own thoughts rather than just repeating stuff you're reading from conspiracy theorists on twitter.

You claimed that the vaccines were being pushed on governments by "puppetmasters".

Who are they and why are they doing this?

But you're lying again. The vaccines have been studied for safety. Why do you keep telling this lie?

And you dodged the question I asked. I did not ask you where they attended or if they wore masks.

I asked you who they were and what their goal was.

Please answer this directly without your silly attempts to sound like you've cool secret knowledge.

Ok. Weird that you'd quote my post to make a point about something it didn't say.

And ok. But I think that putting that information into it's proper context is important and that picking out part of a paragraph when the previous paragraph counters the point you're making is a bit dishonest.

And still, why are you picking out this point and not any of the lies told by anti-vaxxers?

I've asked you this three times now and you haven't even acknowledged the question.

Please answer it now.

Only one account here unlike you. Yes, back then your second account was reported and was unsurprisingly closed.

But back on point, you have failed to address the fake tweet you posted. Care to now?

There is ongoing tracking of the vaccines post phase 3 safety trials, this is mostly about tracking their efficacy than safety as what is in the vaccines exit the body within a few days of administration so there's no worries that after X months something random will happen, this has been consistent with all inert (i.e. non-live) vaccines, of which the COVID vaccines are included. That said, all medicines are tracked post approval (it's part of the approval process that there is a system in place) where the type of approval is usually determined by how beneficial the medicine is (e.g. if a new cancer drug showed it was 50% effective with little to no side effects there would be no reason to hold off on using it and letting people die in the meantime, the trials of the COVID treatments have been similar with the placebo groups being administered the medicine after no safety issues were found but much improved outcomes). There has also been multiple long term studies completed (Israel is basically a big giant study for Pfizer), long term for vaccines means of the order of 6 months to a year, again, because there is no part of the vaccine remaining in the body past a few days so even a few weeks is relatively long term, the safety trials last 3 months out of an abundance of caution and if you look a the data from the approval process, the risk/reward for the vaccines is at least 250:1 (young male groups) and even with this they make it clear to highlight the risk, medicine rollout is all about the safety of the medicines above all else (and things have gone wrong in the past, e.g. thalidomide, that led to changes in the processes to stop them happening again).

In Europe, the vaccines are approved under conditional marketing authority, this means that the manufacturer is liable for any issues related to quality of the vaccines (e.g. people can't sue because they are drowsy afterwards but they could sue if there was a lapse in quality of the vaccine that caused an issue), it also means each batch doesn't need individual sign off (as emergency does, the UK used emergency approval). The FDA has granted Pfizer full approval.

The vaccines will continue to be tracked (as all vaccines are) but for efficacy rather than focusing on safety, the abundance of data and mass rollout haven't identified any major safety issues, even those that were found, are very rare (i.e. found in numbers that far exceed any trial( and found to be mild and treatable.

Lol. Again, if you aren't an antivaxxer, why are you getting so wound up?

As for the studies that show the safety of the vaccine:

So you don't know who the puppetmasters are. So what was that rant about them not wearing masks? If you knew they weren't wearing masks, then logically you know who they are.

Yet now, you're claiming you don't know anything.

That's cool.

So if you can't explain who these puppetmasters are and you can't say anything meaningful about their goals, how do you know they exist and that they're behind the conspiracy to push vaccines?

Read above about long term safety for vaccines, it just isn't an issue for anyone with any education about the safety process for medicines, it is solely an anti-vax talking point that someone has roped you into (and is one of the ways of identifying this group of people).

Did I link to the correct thing about SPC?

can you post the long term safety study on the affects of Covid or provide the link?

Provide me with the long term safety study please or you are the LIAR

So then how do you that the "puppetmasters" were there and that they weren't wearing masks.

That ramble of yours was very vague and seemed to be trying to sound cool more than say anything of substance.

Could you just explain who you meant by this.

Again no need for vague statements to try and sound cool. No need for the insults either.

You don't understand.

For vaccines to be proved to be safe, they need to be studied for decades to eliminate any possibility of any side effect appearing years down the line.

But the effects of covid can been written off cause... reasons...

It’s his ‘gotcha’ moment. Please don’t take it from him.

Nope. I posted many studies that were long term. You are just pretending otherwise because again you've painted yourself into a corner.

The vaccines have been studied for safety. Robinph explains this to you very directly.