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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,511 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    Secondary schools seem to fare alot better than primary



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭ruwithme


    God help us, there's a lunatic on here claiming schools aren't safe places & wants them to remain closed for a third time inside 2 years.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You know what they say about arguments that resort to name calling.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭alps




  • Registered Users Posts: 2,764 ✭✭✭Lime Tree Farm


    "Flurona" in Israel - a combination of flu and covid.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 18,564 ✭✭✭✭_Brian




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Yes it’s transmitting in school despite all the work (pods etc)….if these weren’t there it would be far worse ….it’s been picked up outside of school ,at home out and about etc because the same structures aren’t in place ….if schools closed as u suggest what would kids of done when parents are at work …in towns they’d be out and about ,grandparents would have to step in etc …..far from the duck em policy of kids and people who work in schools you imply …I’m as sick of this shire as anyone but after 2 years it’s the simple things that stop the spread …if they were adhered to as well out of school as in schools would be a very small issue



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Not the story I'm hearing here at all. IMV one of two things will happen.

    Nurmal will announce the day/evening before the schools are to open, that they're not opening. No preparation seems to be the specialty. IMV, this would be the correct thing to do. The reason why, is it would reduce case numbers and prevent a shortage of teachers.

    Option two is a rehash of Christmas 2020, where action wasn't taken when it should have been and the situation spirals out of control. Result being more drastic action having to be taken after the fact. The question will be, for what point will parents be sending kids to school if there's a shortage in teaching staff due to close contact or positive cases?

    The alternative is, yeah, shut the schools for a period and teach online.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sure, but you know as well as I do the likelihood of the simple things being done. At least by closing schools transmission will be reduced.

    During the last school closure and teaching online it wasn't easy for myself and herself either. I still had to farm, and despite not commuting herself was actually working longer hours. We still had the young lad to mind. It wasn't fun.

    There's nothing ideal about any of it but it's a virus and it's not going to take that into account regardless of how tight a spot any of us are in.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Could it be due to exposure to viral load?

    My Niece's partner is a doctor working in A&E in a busy hospital. He got Covid a week or so before Christmas even though he was double vaccinated + booster but he had to be admitted to hospital. Thankfully he was allowed home during the week. My Niece is also a doctor, she tested negative on PCR's tests even though they live together. She works in a maternity hospital where I understand the Covid protocols are far more strict.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Nor an issue here but telling people Wednesday evening that schools ain't opening Thursday morning is not only stupid but pointless.

    Let those that are concerned keep their kids at home .

    They are making allowance for health care sector so why not education?

    Perhaps teachers can attend if not actually sick ie no symptoms belt away



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You'll have to talk to Norma about most of that.

    Schools afaik, reopen on Thursday, and Norma has a meeting with health people on the Tuesday.

    Case #'s increasing, how does that look to play out?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Norma doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer .

    Token quota minister there to make up the numbers .Reckon she will have about as much input as I will have in the decision.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,264 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    I was chatting with a young farmer that I know during the week and we were talking about Covid and I asked him if he was going to any party's for the New Year. He was emphatic and said that he didn't meet up with his friends over Christmas because he had 100 odd ewes at home that were due to start lambing in the next week or so and who could he get to lamb them if he wasn't up to it. A shrewd lad 👍️



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    We'll have to await developments I guess.

    Be nice if another minister or two would take a leaf out of that book...



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    They can't close schools no more than they can close hospitals, if they can keep going they should.

    I've no faith in WFH, apparently they think you're working if your computer is turned on, sounds fairly naive



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    If they can't close schools, how did they do so before?

    As for WFH, nope. A class of kids kinda notice if the teacher isn't there.



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,564 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    both our kids got on great with remote learning last time, it’s no big deal but they are old enough to be at home alone. For a working family with small kids schools closing is a logistical nightmare amd if they leave it to the last night before returning its even worse.

    personally unless there’s further changes in rules there won’t be the staff to open them so decision is made for them in that case.

    Government seem asleep at the wheel at the moment, surely they war gamed all these scenarios and have stuff at least half prepared. Schools should have been told to be prepared for both online and in face teaching after the holidays.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    Alright they can close schols, all they have to do is stop working , same can be said about hospitals

    Weren't teachers working from home (or supposed to be) when they closed before,

    wasn't there a lot of complaints at the time. Students would be in a mess now if schools never opened since spring 2020



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,190 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    In houses were 2 parents are working /working from home ,home school is a nightmare both for parents and kids …proably worse for kids as no structure …no friends …they can get away with bit more from parents etc

    kerping kids at home may in some circumstances cut spread but in others it’ll be worse …especially in towns etc where kids will be out and about mixing more …unregulated …

    what I see happening is schools staying closed till Monday week in the hope parents ,kids and teachers cut there contacts and cut this at source back to manageable levels ….primary school and exam students have missed far too much school



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,622 ✭✭✭White Clover


    The figures/financials wouldn't be long telling the story if WFH wasn't working, Wrangler. I have to say that I am a big fan of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,511 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    As with all jobs some teachers went above and beyond with the home schooling others went missing in action



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah, I understand that re working. Again, unless you do a Chinese style board them into their houses thing, personal responsibility isn't a thing that's going to be controlled by anyone but the people themselves. I don't have an awful lot of confidence on that score tbh.

    Apologies, that is what I meant by closing the schools, to get the infection rates down.

    On missing school an socialisation, I don't hold as strong opinions on that as others do. Kids bounce back.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know as much about all teachers as you do yourself, what I can tell you is that herself worked longer hours than if she had a normal day plus commute time (an hour each way). As well as "co parenting" time on top of that.

    With your experience of farmers, would you pay heed to every anecdotal complaint? For sure there are **** teachers, same as **** in every other job or profession.

    New ways may have to be found for living life & working. As someone said, if the next pandemic is worse... There's already noise about old virus' being released thanks to thawing permafrost. I think WFH suits a lot of people tbh, if not for all week, certainly a portion of it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    How would you know in something like the HSE That was so inefficient even before wfh.

    It'd show up rapidly in the private sector alright



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    The opportunity is there for it to happen with WFH. some parents too wouldn't open a book either which is important for homeschooling younger ones....... well so people who know tell me



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭wrangler


    I should've said the common complaints was that parents didn't want the children at home,



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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,622 ✭✭✭White Clover


    True I suppose!!! I was only thinking of my own situation!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,779 ✭✭✭paddysdream


    Schooling from home is not the answer and that's from the perspective of a parent and someone with a number of teachers in my extended family .

    Young lad loves school and doing grand there .He looks forward to going and what he missed most both times was the social interaction .He would of course talk to his friends on XBox ,snapchat etc and we never at any stage stopped him meeting his friends .Actually encouraged it to be honest as that sort of seclusion is not good for anyone , esp a teenager .

    The big issue was that no matter how good a teacher he had ( and in my opinion they all seem very interested and committed ) its very difficult for a teacher to remote teach and its also difficult for a pupil to sit for 4 or 5 hours in front of a screen .He got on OK but asked him tonight and he told me that he really hopes school resumes next week .

    From a teachers point of view a number of children either interact only sporadically or some never at all .Brother got all the stories of "sir my camera ain't working " "my laptop is faulty " "Broadband is out again " etc etc etc .

    Some were logging on in the morning and going back to bed .Some kids got into a very summer teenager style routine of up all night and sleep all morning .Hard when both parents gone to work and teenage John or Mary hops back into the scratcher by 9am .



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