Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

How are vaccine passports effective now? As a tool to coerce people to get vaccinated they absolutely worked. As you've pointed out everyone is either vaccinated or hell bent against it so what benefit do we now get from the passports?

And for context here I’m 33, not at risk, and have had a booster, I’m not remotely anti vax. I’m against nonsensical restrictions and requirements.

Is an unvaccinated/unrecovered person more likely to catch covid compared to a vaccinated/recovered person?

Is an unvaccinated/unrecovered person more likely to need hospital care compared to a vaccinated/recovered person?

If the answer to either is yes, that's a reason for covid certs (I will argue in light of Omicron, they are much much less important, but you don't go lifting restrictions etc... when you close to peak). I would fully expect them to be dropped after this wave as I'd hazard a guess the % of people who Covid will me novel to would be insignificant.

99% of people who couldn't get vaccinated are under 12 and there has been no deaths in that age group. Meaning all of those deaths are in the 14+ group. Of them, there's a minute % who can't take a vaccine. That same argument has been trotted out in defense of the unvaccinated figure and they can't give a %.

Pointless to take a vaccine, I think the risk of death for those who died would be a good reason? I'm unsure who the pointless people are, maybe you can clarify?

They actually updated the file with the 8pm figure in the end!

ICU looking at going the same way as Denmark/SA and UK experience.... little to no increase. Considering that over 50% in ICU before being unvaccinated, it's certainly looking like Omicron is less severe/less likely needing to be ventilated etc...

Whose the people who felt it was pointless to get vaccinated and who died? That's a new group for me.

I've heard of people not wanting it, their choice, there's a tiny group who can't take it, so the group who thought it was pointless...... is the eastern European? So what % of that eastern European group didn't get vaccinated? I'd say it's possibly a little higher % uptake then their home country? It's certainly not zero.

Who are the “Pointless”? Eg, fit healthy people whose demographic was not statistically at risk as evidenced by all those UV who have had cv and recovered without requiring any medical care.

btw quite a few such local folk have taken part in a local clinical test for antibodies and one 16 year old was told she was “bursting with antibodies “.

With the greatest of respect to those who think differently not everyone needed the V.

Are you supposed to be replying to my post? If so, you should read what I said please.

If you followed the conversation the pointless remark was made about people dying from covid who were unvaccinated because it was pointless for them to get vaccinated. If you're asking me who the pointless people are, I didn't bring them up, you'll have to ask @Danno

I asked you to define the pointless (your actual words), who died from covid, unvaccinated because them getting the vaccine would be pointless and you replied with 200k+ Eastern European people.... etc...

Last year Christmas day 8pm to New years day 8pm the hospital and ICU figures doubled.

The 8pm data needed to be 788 to have a doubled figure tonight and best of all the ICU figure has 3 fewer than the week before.