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URC Round 9 - Connacht vs Munster - Saturday, Jan 1st @ 5.15pm - Premier Sports, TG4, URC TV

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭PCeeeee


    I think the thing with Bundee is you can't not involve him. He's heart and soul at the heart of everything we do. And I'd say you're ears would ring for weeks if you didn't got him when he demands it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,225 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Larkham as well.

    Can't see what he's actually brought to the side.

    Munsters attacking strategy still looks non-existant.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    well deserved for Connacht, especially after throwing away the last game up there against Munster.


    any chance JvG can be cut loose early? Flat hunting in Bath can be a nightmare, give him a head start.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,300 ✭✭✭✭razorblunt


    I’d really like to know what happened during Larkham’s first season. With the internationals not available he had the young lads flying, Daly in particular was coming in off his wing, Goggin looked a different player. They played brilliant stuff, won a few, lost to the Cheetahs in SA but that was when they were stacked early on and they ran them close. Come October the Internationals come back and everything got dropped back to Murray hoofing the ball. POM passed a remark later on that they (the internationals) should have been good enough to work with that game plan but they weren’t. The backline hasn’t really been used since.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,225 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Bundee is to Connacht what Nacewa was to Leinster. He's the onfield leader and the person who raises the standard of everyone around him.

    The things is though, De Allende is a cornerstone of the South Africa side which was victorious at the World Cup and in the most recent Lions series. He's a very good player who hasn't had the same impact as Nacewa or Aki have on the the pitch. To me that suggests that there's a serious dysfunction elsewhere which needs addressing. And that's probably with regards to the coaching they're receiving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    That was an awful game and the only saving grace was that Farrell's card didn't turn out to be crucial.

    From the 6N perspective, I would say only Bealham and Aki did themselves any favours.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Its probably not fair to be overly harsh on munster because of the disruption and lack of game time over the last while but im failing to take positives out of that game.

    Casey is an international 9 with aspirations of being his club and countries starting SH, yet his speculative pass that Marmion picked off was never on and was only something that should be forced with penalty adv.

    The when we had pen adv he didnt do it.

    Coombes, haley, wycherly, daly have all the hallmarks of players who havent played a game in months and hopefully get back to their peak. Haleys tracking on marmion was decent.

    Im unable to see what archer brings where that time wouldnt be better given to a younger player. He gives away stupid penalties, doesnt dominate the setpiece and doesnt carry well.

    To me healy is a better prospect to carbery because he can kick better and is more durable. A change in coach bringing in a change in approach could go either way for him.

    Scannell is not far behind archer in what hes bringing, and its another position where yourh might be the right call.

    The problem now is that there will be 8 or so changes (J.Ryan, Beirne, POM, Murray, Earls, zebo…) for next week and more rusty players come back in with tonights players off to the backbenches until the 6 nations starts.

    ulster will fancy their chances after watching that, and a result is needed in castres to get a home draw for the Heino cup.



  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Id say Marmion will jump ahead of Casey, Prendergast at 21 looks a better player then Coombes at 24, Hanson probably should not have been on the field poor guy looked like hes not fully recovered



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  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Munster have copied the gameplan of the worst team to watch and actually make it worse to watch them. Farrell should have seen Red



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Egypt Chubby Oyster


    Coombes and casey have been locked up for weeks I think their rustyness is understandable I wouldn't be judging them off of today Coombes in particular was not himself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Yea, coombes will benefit from game time alright.

    Casey is a limited SH though what he does well he does very well but hes not going to get past murray anytime soon and we all know murray has aspects of his game that are lacking.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Egypt Chubby Oyster


    Ya I agree with you o casey he's an excellent bench option as he can add a lot of tempo late in game but he just lacks size. Doak is the future of the position I think. casey just lacks size. He was definitely a step off today though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    Doak needs to get past cooney first and that wont be easy.

    Every province has 2 very good SH’s currently, but i dont think there is much wrong with who the top 2 are.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Egypt Chubby Oyster


    Ya fair point and doak may or may not push on from where he is



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    There is a game and a time for casey, and the munster game plan is neither. Hes a very good player who's attributes suit a team like leinster more than munster where they play with relentless tempo and ball in hand.

    caseys box kicking isnt great, or at least its not near murrays, and munster have based a lot of their game on it because murray is so good at it and conway is a compliment to it.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Egypt Chubby Oyster


    Honestly I think we have the talent there for a better game plan. I hope the next coaching ticket is ambitious



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    I think Casey’s exit box-kicking in our 22 has improved a lot. He put in one absolutely superb one 2nite. I think it’s his contestable kicking that could improve, and he also seems to occasionally kick one out on the full too.

    He did start the season well tho, to the point it was the first time I thought he’d overtake Murray before seasons end. And the disruption of the last few weeks was bound to have an affect (tho this performance was so poor, it can’t all be down to that)., Hopefully with a bit more game time he’ll get back some form tho.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof




  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭✭ Egypt Chubby Oyster


    One offload is brutal



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  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Both Blade and Marmion are better then Casey. Casey always has a nightmare against Connacht they always school him.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,998 ✭✭✭leakyboots


    An awful lot of judgments being cast after one game here by some.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Not sure if that should be more depressing for Munster fans or Connacht fans.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,334 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Hopefully that Delahunt incident at HT is given a bit of media spotlight and looked into a bit more; it's needless, seemingly unprovoked, and taints the image of the league and the teams involved.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    It was a bit of handbags. JO'D (I think) gives him a little jostle at the beginning and Delahunt pushes him.

    Delahunt and Healy were yellow carded. Proper order. Get on with the game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    The league's image was tainted tonight for sure. But not by the handbags at HT.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    I think he's saying it was a **** game to watch.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It was, but a poor game in a rugby competition hardly taints its image any more than the small bit of handbags at half time.

    Overstating things from both sides, imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    Not just the quality of the spectacle, but the general standard of rugby on show in a game between one of the supposed best teams in the competition with ambitions of winning it, and a team who will likely be in the playoffs. It was dreadful and very little rugby was played. AIL games are generally of a higher standard. I've watched some Top14 and Premiership this weekend, and honestly the chasm in quality is substantial. And also the standard of refereeing was brutal. A lot of people say that Connacht players get unfairly overlooked by Ireland coaches, and I think tonight proved that not to be true. And as for Munster, none of the team that played tonight can have any complaints if they aren't in the 6N squad.

    For what was supposed to be a big interpro between two good teams, that game was a terrible advert for the URC. And honestly, if I was a Kiwi or Australian wanting to watch some NH rugby, the URC would be the last thing I watch.

    Going off on a tangent here but the entire league is a joke and it's a serious hinderance for the national team. The fact that the English, French and a lot of the Welsh players are playing in a high quality, competitive league week in week out is a big advantage for them.

    A British and Irish league would the an ideal scenario but I appreciate it's just a pipe dream.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭ClanofLams


    Those are very large conclusions on the basis of one game. As with someone saying the league is unbelievable after some Connacht Leinster classics, it’s more than a bit of a leap.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    It's not on the basis of one game though.

    The Italian and Welsh teams are crap and have been for a while. The South African teams have added absolutely nothing and most of the Springboks don't even play for them.

    The format is also an utter pisstake, overly complicated, renders it utterly unfair and makes a mockery of the integrity of the league

    The fact that they change the format and add new teams every few years does nothing for the status of the competition.

    Look at the Premiership and Top 14 and how competitive they are in comparison. Bath have lost all 10 games they've played in the Premiership, but they'd be better than half of the teams in the URC. Only one team has won the URC/Pro14/Pro12 for each of the last 4 years.

    Watch the highlights of some of the thrillers in the Premiership from last weekend, Bristol v Leicester, Quins v Northampton, Wasps v London Irish. Enthralling, intense games with real jeopardy and world class players. Compare that with the dross being served up by the URC. The league the provinces play in is one of the biggest problems Irish rugby has.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,617 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    You seem to be forgetting the recent european results in your rant.

    Connacht had a fine showing against the english league leaders and there was no gulf of class on display.

    Cardiff brought players out of retirement, and played with amateurs in their side against the english champions and gave then a decent game.

    Some of the permership teams know little about defending.

    Thats not to say the URC doesnt have its problems. Your just overstating then after one bad game where rustiness and wind were factors.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,640 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    “Thats not to say the URC doesnt have its problems. Your just overstating then after one bad game where rustiness and wind were factors.”

    Completely agree tbh, Lawrence; it’s over the top, reactionary stuff, while idealising the Prem and Top 14.

    And not one mention of Covid. Munster had 7 players in their starting 15 who hadn’t started a game in 9 weeks. How many in teams in the Prem or Top 14 could say that this weekend? That’s a genuine question, but I’m pretty sure the answer is not many. It’s pretty obvious why a cross-border competition is going to have more difficulties with Covid than a strictly domestic league.

    Even more broadly, criticising the quality and structure of the league, then also saying the SA had added nothing? Firstly, you can’t have it both ways; the SA teams were added to improve the quality, and secondly, it completely overlooks the fact they haven’t played a single home game against a non-SA side yet.

    Imagine the kicking the ProXX would’ve gotten if they didn’t have a winner in the 20/21 season.

    Or even more obviously, surely having the club that’s won 4 of the last 7 being relegated for breaching salary cap participation rules (and another under investigation) is waaaay more damaging to a league’s image than a poor game between rusty sides in January. Yet the URC is the league where the format makes a mockery of the integrity?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,537 ✭✭✭typhoony


    A poor game in general, although one pleasing aspect was to play munster type rugby for the last 10 minutes,



  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Munster wanted to stop Connacht playing but Connacht still manage to beat them at their own game and won a game of "ugly footy" as Friend said. Connacht will be happy when the next team they play is Leicester.

    URCs main issue is refs. How Farrell did not get a Red is baffling. Irish refs should in be involved in derby they seem to always favour the teams with the bigger rep. I Think the same ref did the first game handing munster the offside try. Irish refs are the worst in the league



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Why?

    Does Peter O’Mahony telling an opponent to fcuk off taint the image of the league or European Cup?

    Munster players are not shy when it comes to mouthing off or getting involved in needless afters. If they put half as much effort into playing the game then maybe they wouldn't produce so much turgid crap



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Munster made 45 passes last night

    Kieran Marmion had 85



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,242 ✭✭✭SqueakyKneecap


    Chris Farrell very lucky. Those have been reds several times for Big Papa (and very few arguments).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,047 ✭✭✭Bazzo


    I think you're way overblowing one poor game. It happens all the time, I regularly watch top 14 matches with behemoths fill of superstars like Toulouse and La Rochelle that turn out to be absolutely septic with a result something like 12-6.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 495 ✭✭Stanley 1


    Furthermore how many times does the ref have to tell Casey to "use it" before he actually does or the maul gets penalised, there does appear to be communication problems with Scannell, if the maul is going towards the touchline making it very difficult for Casey to find his OH, make the pack hit the deck and force the Opp to reset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,253 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    Apart from the Farrell card, I thought the ref had a good game.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    you can’t have it both ways; the SA teams were added to improve the quality

    Yeah but they haven't. That's my point.

    Their best team has won 2 from 5 games. They haven't improved the quality or made it more competitive at all. Just added 4 more sh*t teams.

    Yet the URC is the league where the format makes a mockery of the integrity?

    Yes because in the Premiership and Top 14, every team plays against the same teams the same number of times. That's fair.

    The URC can't do a round robin format because they've added too many teams, there'd be a 30 game season before the playoffs which is too many, so instead of kicking out the South African and Italian dross who add nothing, they come up with the silly, overly complex, confusing for casual fans and unfair format we have.

    surely having the club that’s won 4 of the last 7 being relegated for breaching salary cap participation rules (and another under investigation) is waaaay more damaging to a league’s image than a poor game between rusty sides in January. 

    Eh yeah....not sure what you're point is there. I never said last nights game was more damaging than the Saracens thing. Odd.

    And people seriously need to stop giving Munster a free pass and using rust as an excuse. They've played sh*t rugby all season apart from the Wasps game. As if anything is going to change next week. Leinster's first game of the season was a comprehensive win over the Bulls where they played great rugby.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    The SA teams have only played away games and one round of derbies at home. Nobody should write them off right now, particularly a team like the Sharks as they will be fully loaded with their Springboks for the rest of the season.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    Are they going to have any home games this season outside of the derbies?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,952 ✭✭✭TRC10


    That's another problem. Barely ever seeing full strength teams during the regular season because of clashes with international windows.

    We're into the new year and we haven't even seen the Saffa teams with the few Springboks they have yet. Some league. Top 14 and Premiership have stacked sides every week. And it makes for a higher quality more competitive league.

    In the URC ,Munster rest their big names for a big interpro derby.



  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Well then you were watching a completely different game to me. The breakdown was a complete and utter mess. As it is every game he referees.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Players get rested in the Top14 and Premiership too. It's just not as noticeable as internationals are spread more thinly in England and France. Dupont didn't play for Toulouse yesterday, he's played in 9 of 13 Top14 games this season and started in 7 of those.



  • Registered Users Posts: 595 ✭✭✭jimdemp


    Crazy stat! Thats something you would expect from a kiwi against USA, just shows how dominant Connacht were. They need to convert pressure into points



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭Yeah_Right


    It's like people have completely forgotten about the disruption caused by covid. The season is 4 months old yet teams have played 5 to 8 games. And posters are willing to right off the competition, the format, the quality. Its ridiculous.



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