Rose Of Tralee now accepting trans applicants (Threadbanned List in OP)

You were lecturing about "helpful" comments earlier? 🙄

Nah it is completely unhelpful and downright obnoxiously disrespectful to start bringing in commentary about deviancy and disorders into this discussion. Why should we tolerate this disgusting intolerance?

Its nothing to do with having a different perspective on the issues. This is about extremely rude, condescending and disrespectful pejorative insults about trans people.

Trans people are a very small minority. Very very small. So small in fact that despite the fact that the cure for being trans (or rather the cure for being trapped in the wrong body) is comparatively dear the costs even in a society with communal payment for healthcare the costs are negligible.

To start a medical transition you are looking at a couple of k in psychiatry, endocrinologist, doctors fees and prescriptions. If MtF you'll have hair removal and other procedures. That's before you get anywhere near surgeries. All the while you will have certain types looking to control what you can or cannot do based on what procedures you've had.

For an individual, it's not a light undertaking and not a frivolous as some make out. As far as I know, the individual would pay most of these costs (or face a very long waiting time).

It goes waaay beyond "having a different perspective" or "sensitivities" - I am not saying all GC Fervent Activists actively want to harm transgender people but the fact remains that transgender women are frequently murdered in horrifically violent ways due to being transgender.

If I was to say that GC Fervent Activists emboldened by their Keyboard warrior supporters and those who murder Transgender people share a perspective the spluttering outrage would be something to behold as the report button goes into meltdown.

Nonetheless, the "we just care passionately about protecting biological women" trope paints transgender women as predators/threats ( it's really the only so-called 'reasonable' excuse they can use) and some people take that idea to it's logical conclusion by literally seeking to remove the threat

In exactly the same way as those who claimed homosexuality is "unnatural" shared a perspective with the murderers of Declan Flynn (and the judge who left them off with a suspended sentence), and Matthew Shepard. Transphobia, like homophobia, really is the slippery slope that leads to people being killed. We know this. There are enough heartbreaking examples to leave no doubts about where the perspective of portraying a minority as a danger or a threat (particularly to children) leads.

As for "sensitivities" - have people with whatever position you are in been called fetishists? Deviants? Potential abusers? Actual abusers? Is is stated that some people pretend to be in your position in order to gain access to young girls in changing rooms and toilet? Have people in your position been violently challenged when simply trying to use a public facility? Have people been beaten to death for being in your position? Have you been told your position doesn't actually exist?

When a person's very existence is being threatened to classify them as being "sensitive" is, imo, stunningly insensitive.

It really is a joke to be called "sensitive" and "unhelpful" for calling out the disgusting attempts to portray trans people as sex addicts, deviants and disordered - but its ok because it was qualified as "some". 🙄

I think you are spot on. It is the first step in the pyramid of hate as far as Im concerned.

Says it all that you dont object to discussion about deviancy and disorders.

Show that is the case then, go create a thread on it.. but it's like throwing rape claims into a conversation about Volvo drivers or something. Now I'm not saying volvo drivers are more rapey than other drivers but I know for a fact some Volvo drivers have committed sexual offences. So maybe we should keep Volvo drivers separate from other vehicles?

Anyway, I digress slightly. What on earth has it got to do with the Rose of Tralee?

If you're that bothered write to the ROT committtee and tell them they shouldnt be allowing deviants in. They'd throw it straight in the bin where it belongs. It really does show this discussion up for what it is that people are harping on about deviancy and disorders.

Oh hello.

Are you still here?

Thought you had flounced off in a huff yesterday.

May I just say I am fascinated by how outraged you get about my general, yet qualified, comments about "your side" while remaining utterly silent when "your side" call people deviants. Not sideing with or allied to but actual deviants, or worse.

A person could begin to suspect some people's outrage is more of a tactical indignant splutter.

Either way, as I didn't address my post to you, tag you, or reference you do feel free not to accept any advice I didn't offer you.

And also the point has been addressed several times, you just refuse to accept other people's views might actually be valid.

The Rose of Tralee absolutely should allow trans people (those born male, or biological males to use your oversimplified, inaccurate and clumsy terminology) because they have explicitly allowed so in their rules.

That's it. Your opinion or mine counts for SFA beyond that.