Rose Of Tralee now accepting trans applicants (Threadbanned List in OP)

Its not a question of whether he agrees with it or not. It’s the fact that he’s consistently referred to sides and tried to drive a wedge between people, and then claims he’s not transphobic and he supports transgender rights and womens rights and all the rest of it, and if he didn’t set himself up for it, then it would be fair to point out that he’s not responsible for anyone else’s comments.

As it stands though, the fact that the only time he remains silent is when someone else makes a shìtty comment echoing his views, is legitimate reason to point out that he’s clearly not on the level.

I think this particular poster constantly creates sides and makes a big deal about who agrees with him and who doesnt. Because of the way in which he posts its fair game as far as Im concerned.

Luck had nothing to do with it.

And you have no argument whatsoever to exclude transwomen from the Rose of Tralee. No matter how much bold you use.

Of course it does, or do you think you can would have achieved the same had you been born in a remote area in the Middle East or Africa?

I was born in Holy Catholic Ireland of the Madgelene Laundaries nearly 60 years ago.

We made our own luck thank you very much.

Now, this is off topic so if you don't mind I'll leave this particular tangent there.

This thread is about the participation of transgender women in the Rose of Tralee in the 2nd decade of the 21st century.

It was obviously a hypothetical thought experiment I was proposing. It's what I think of as the Tarzan desert island thought experiment where it comes to one's inner identity'. Does one's 'identity' depend on other's around you viewing you as whatever identity you hold, because if not it's hardly much of an identity. That you can't be x identity unless there are people around you to validate it, or not as the case may be. A concrete example is how could you be a drag queen on a dessert island. What would be the point when there is no one to observe you as a drag queen. Would you be a drag queen at all if you were somehow dropped off on a dessert island from birth. What I'm getting at is some identities are superficial and wouldn't/couldn't exist in isolation. In contrast to a man or a woman on a dessert island from birth which doesn't depend on others to validate them.

Well I thinks that's a bit mean. Firstly you said I find the people I spoke about as 'objectionable' when I was at pains to say I didn't per se have a problem with them, did I not. I don't find them objectionable, there.

And it follows that neither did I denigrate anyone. To state one has a psyso-sexual disorder is just a statement of fact - unless you are saying there is no such thing? Neither did I imply that ones with a PS-disorder is of any real societal concern, that we have to somehow get rid of them or something like that. And this goes to the few posters who responded to my last post - I did not say trans people have PS-disorders. All I said was there has to be a sexual dimension to gender identity. The two are intrinsically linked is all I'm suggesting. Gender Identity doesn't mean much to me if it doesn't have a strong sexual component, otherwise it's just absurdly trivia a think like the colour of one's eyes. I don't think that's a wild proposal or an insulting one either. It was just a though I had and had no malice in it whatsoever. And thanks to a number of posters who allured to that in their follow up.

What I might agree with is the word 'disorder' is a bit insensitive, I could have said 'condition' instead, but even if I did I think the responses would be much the same.

Nope, don't agree with that at all. Man Woman identities are completely above what one identifies as. So if an alien ship visited our planet and they had no sex themselves, observationally they would classify us as either male or female and wouldn't probe our minds to find out what our identities are. Psychological identities are a different thing altogether, on a lower level.

As for your comment related to giving off sexual vibes..

Of course everyone does. They can't help it whether they intend to or not. Gay men do dress gay, it's a sign. Mannerisms and gay fashion give off sexual interest vibes. One's gaydar works on that basis. Everything about fashion and outward looks is fundamentally based on human sexuality. That is why men and woman dress differently since ever. It's all fundamentally based on sexuality.

Jack, the problem with this is that Gender Ideology is a lot more than about equal rights. How one views someone can't be controlled by 'rights'. So yes, my mind on this issue is not focused primarily on equal rights as your always is. Never had a problem with your angle at all, you always make excellent arguments regarding discrimination. I can't singularly look at this issue from a rights point of view as the deciding factor. Maybe you're totally right though to look at it that way, idk, but there are implications for viewing gender as fluid, which was never a thing (as it is today) , so I'm going to continue to make my remarks as I always have as I'm sure you will too.

The whole 'transgender murders' thing has been proven to be a lie, or at least presented dishonestly.

The people who are murdered are transsexual (men) who live on a prostitute scene and are murdered because they dress as sexy woman but are then murdered by heterosexual men when they discover the woman they tried to pull was actually a man. Obviously that's not an excuse.

If you watch the Martha P Johnson documentary, you will see a real case court case of that, where a man is sent down because he murdered a transsexual (man) for that reason.

And that is a why I bring up the issues of transsexualism and transvestism, because is sheds more light on exactly what is going on, to counteract this claim that transgender people are being indiscriminately murdered simply because they are transgender. Those people who are being murdered aren't even transgender in the first place, they're transsexuals. And those people have psyco-sexual conditions that gets them in the predicament they find themselves in sometimes. They want to live an existence where they are of sexual attractiveness to heterosexual men, but I think that is just all sexual fantasy. You can't expect heterosexual men to regard transsexual (men) as woman sexually. But Gender Ideologists DO! And that is why I said to Jack that this issue is more than just about equal rights.