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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,225 ✭✭✭MOR316


    Full grown adults, needing Tony Holohan and a Government to tell them to wash their hands and to stay indoors to avoid getting sick

    "But it's a pandemic and we need them to tell us all they can!!!"

    OK...



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    That was astonishing. Collins described the three scientists as "fringe scientists". Harvard, Oxford and Stanford being fringe institutions, apparently. It really is mind boggling. And worse is people who defend them.


    Here are a couple of questions I have:


    (1) Why do people in authority keep ignoring their own rules, which they claim are incredibly important to follow?


    (2) How does Tony Fauci find the time to be on CNN, MSNBC et al 24/7?



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭Jim Gazebo


    It'll be absolute bullshit if he tries to tighten the restrictions now after a week of high cases so I think / hope that's unlikely. I'd hope they'll ease a touch tbh. Realise pubs closing at 8 is not making that big a difference maybe and a few other bits.

    But it's too optimistic. Martin will **** himself and leave holohan walk all over him and we'll be in restrictions until march 🤮😭🤦‍♂️



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yes, it's amazing that he dismisses it, but then agrees with it in the next paragraph.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I should know better really, but your second paragraph is at odds with your first - just as your assertion that the media haven't been pushing a message of fear throughout the "crisis" is completely wrong too.

    You only have to watch/listen to RTE to know that, but the other stations and news outlets are the same (no doubt at least partly because they're making a fortune from the covid related advertising, and a lot of the editorial staff aspire to staffer/advisor jobs with the politicians).

    The only thing the restrictions have served to do in the last year (or arguably since the summer of 2020) is protect the mismanagement and waste in the HSE, the sunk costs invested into the overreactive measures employed by a weak government and particularly ineffective Taoiseach.

    The restrictions and media coverage have however served to highlight just how many people in this country apparently NEED to be told what to do by "their betters". It appears all agency and independent thinking has been sidelined in favour of virtue-signalling compliance and attacking anyone not "on message".

    As I've said before, the social and societal damage caused by this "crisis" will be something we're still dealing with long after any lingering threat from covid has passed.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,650 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    GBD would have been a disaster, we've seen the unnecessary deaths that occurred in countries that let it rip and the devastating effects on their economy. Sweden who sort of but didn't follow it, had a worse performing economy than all their neighbours in 2020 and 2021 and way higher death rates all the way through and Omicron has blasted away the herd immunity from virus plan as well, in hindsight, it was utterly nuts. The only thing it had going for it was an illusion of freedom, but even that would have just led to the loonies shouting at everyone else for being afraid (while they die in excess numbers).

    It seems lockdowns necessary till vaccines, then restrictions to manage through the vaccine and treatment rollouts, future pandemic learning would be for a lower latency to vaccines and treatments not "let it rip and test" given that antigen tests aren't reliable enough (maybe future tech will make a reliable take at home test that would allow that plan to work).



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    i follow the public health experts and scientists, not the government who i in fact didn't even vote for.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    His job is to advise the government. None of us should have any idea of who he is, other than his qualifications etc.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29,073 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    none of that is correct.

    the public health measures have been successful  and even if our health system was much better, we would still need them as we do need to keep numbers in the likes of ICU as low as we can because such spaces will always have a limit even in the best health services.

    the social and societal damage caused by restrictions will be very limited realistically all though certainly there will be aspects that were damaging, not because of restrictions as a whole but because of the understandible (all be it unnecessary in hindsight) suspension of treatments in the first lock down.

    however the fact is that it would be nothing compared to the damage uncontrolled covid would have done which would have effected the whole of the country and it's people by collapsing the country's essential systems.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2,639 ✭✭✭completedit


    I think this is overstated. Its not Stalingrad or Berlin 1945, its a hospital system. A collapsed hospital system does not remain permanently collapsed, there would have been some dark days but things might have have recovered soon enough. The problem wmis that that would have been political suicide.

    I can't decide which is worse though, the situation above where the state essentially says that people will die, that's life and we have to get on with it foe economic prosperity or inflicting huge social and economic externalities to safeguard people well past the average life expextancy.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭mcsean2163


    GBD is not let it rip. It's don't lockdown but do protect the vulnerable



  • Registered Users Posts: 18,478 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    I must admit, I find it amusing to see people keep asking "how long should I be isolating for, is it 5 days, 7 days, 10 days, 50 days etc etc".

    It makes two things really clear. One, that the number of days needed are just being pulled out of thin air at a government level, and two, that the people don't want to spend one minute thinking about those isolation periods and what should be done, they just want the man in charge to tell them a number and off they'll go to follow it.

    Currently it is the second most amusing thing I read about covid. The most amusing thing is all those perfectly healthy people isolating from each other in the same **** house, and getting pissy at each other for not isolating the right way.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15,112 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    For someone who is so into conspiracy theories I`m sure you can tell us who was really behind the GBD seeing as it has been pointed out to you on numerous threads.

    It was sponsored and promoted by the American Institute for Economic Research (AIER) and the signing was in their headquarters in Great Barrington Massachusetts. It is a libertarian think tank with some very dodgy backers and ideas. It was signed by such luminaries as Dr. Johnny Bananas Dr of hard sums, Dr I P Freely, Dr Person Fakename, Dr Johnny Fartpants, Harold Shipman, Professor Notaf Uckingclue Professor Cominic Dummings, a resident at "the university of your mum", a specialist whose name was the first verse of the Macarena, 18 self-declared homeopaths, and over 100 therapists whose expertise included massage, hypnotherapy, massage and Mongolian khoomii singing.

    In September 2020 it`s "Senior Resident Fellow" George Gilder published an article from the AIER claiming that the pandemic was over in April 2020 and made the bizarre claim that "that the spread of the coronavirus declines to almost zero after 70 days - no matter where it strikes" They are big into climate change denial publishing such articles as "Brazilians should keep slashing their rainforest" and have also funded research on the benefits that sweatshops supplying multinational bring to the people working in them.

    The GBD was nothing other than a piece of piss promoted and sponsored by a dodgy right wing group of companies with deep pockets promoting herd immunity. Something that never even came close to being achieved by those that chased it, or those such as India or Amazonas who at one stage claimed they had.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    First week into a new year and I'm left wondering were we are.

    It's been very quite on the Media front, especially RTE news and Virgin Media, both essentially closed for two weeks. Government too gone awol albeit a few appearances over the past few days, Stephen Donnelly yet again making incorrect statements about people being able to upload info onto HSE website.

    In essence there's a nothing to see here approach, CMO left to continue on his solo mission about washing hands, avoid retail, avoid large groups etc, clearly no one listening, especially government.

    Schools will reopen on Thursday, there'll be thankfully no more restrictions, the only thing worrying government is absenteeism from work places so quick tweak of isolation rules to solve that.

    People will be left to depend on antigen testing at no cost to government that worked out well for them. PCR testing system unable to cope, I can see that service gradually winding down.

    It's onwords and upwards I think, Hospitality sector will be left in limbo, probably till march (clearly not a priority for Government)

    Focus used to be on all hospitalisations, now the focus will only be on ICU numbers.

    Living with Covid has begun Folks, should be an interesting few weeks ahead.

    Meanwhile Israel have named a combined Flu and Covid infection 'Florona" 🙄 sound like a low fat butter spread 🤔


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Lift those stupid testing for travel restrictions and we have a deal 🤣



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    The really bad news from all of this is that 'lockdown' has now become a seemingly accepted way of dealing with hospital emergency situations. It used to be preventing deaths, then moved to possible overcrowding.That has been the sliding scale effect. Once a policy is implemented one time, it can be again another time for a different reason, you know, to protect the vulnerable by limiting freedom for everyone else. Numbers do not really matter much as it is the fear of what MIGHT happen that is enough. I am glad the UK is at least taking a more balanced approach..



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    It is a pity i cant put 'end of the road' guy on ignore, though i do in fact ignore him by not reading his posts as he his become a wee irritant fella with a chip on his shoulder.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Can you not put them onto your ignore list, basically you grey them out and their posts hidden from you on the Thread 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Whilst once lockdowns were the only solution in Government and NPHET"s eyes, there'll be absolutely no more lockdowns, Living with Covid has commenced, Hospitality sector unfortunately weren't included in Governments new plan, they'll be invited in around late March I suspect.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink


    Go to https://www.boards.ie/profile/ignore and type the username in the box, just because the profile is private doesn't mean you can't ignore them 🙂



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    RTE"s Morning Irelands Headline

    "New Year, Same Virus" 👀🙄

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Schools, schools and schools. If Government dont **** themselves and open as planned we will be in the game well and truly. If they arent opened then this will just be prolonged. Pubs should open fully at this stage too. A mild cold at 50k cases a day wont over run even our terrible health service.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    politicians break the rules because they think they are above them

    It is not possible to have a working brain and maintain this opinion.

    If I tell you not to go out into my garden because it's full of landmines and you'll die, and then you look out the window and see me dancing about in my garden having a grand old time, the logical assumption is not that I think the rules don't apply to me, but that I was lying about the landmines.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fascinating, the focus this morning on news shows is absenteeism due to self isolating rules, like everything else to date, did No one actually see this coming with such enormous case numbers 🤔 seems a little odd, crying about this now, reducing isolation days from 10 to 7 or five days is not going to resolve this issue quickly nor is the lack of PCR testing.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Sssh, sure the Irish media don't promote fear! 🙄

    Thankfully the general public seem to be waking up to the reality. It's little more than a cold for almost everyone who catches it now.

    I expect more attention to be given to minimum unit pricing this week when people realise the price of some of their alcohol has doubled.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,861 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    You know as well as I do though that the "science" insofar as our Government and NPHET goes ranges between wild speculation based on suspect/selective modelling, and political expediency.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed, it's going to be an interesting week ahead as Media outlets begin to wake up after Christmas hibernation😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    O, I do indeed, just find it extraordinary that absenteeism only being discussed now, UK have been struggling for weeks with this isdue. It could, I suppose be argued if so many have covid now and symptoms appear to be extremely mild why are isolation rules required or indeed when or will they ever end.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,978 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Absolutely maddening this almost yearly report and we're left to wonder why the actual health service in such a mess. How many mangers does it take to figure out more medical staff needed, more ICU beds required.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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