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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,174 ✭✭✭Gusser09


    Schools, schools and schools. If Government dont **** themselves and open as planned we will be in the game well and truly. If they arent opened then this will just be prolonged. Pubs should open fully at this stage too. A mild cold at 50k cases a day wont over run even our terrible health service.



  • Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭MilkyToast


    politicians break the rules because they think they are above them

    It is not possible to have a working brain and maintain this opinion.

    If I tell you not to go out into my garden because it's full of landmines and you'll die, and then you look out the window and see me dancing about in my garden having a grand old time, the logical assumption is not that I think the rules don't apply to me, but that I was lying about the landmines.

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~C.S. Lewis



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Fascinating, the focus this morning on news shows is absenteeism due to self isolating rules, like everything else to date, did No one actually see this coming with such enormous case numbers 🤔 seems a little odd, crying about this now, reducing isolation days from 10 to 7 or five days is not going to resolve this issue quickly nor is the lack of PCR testing.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Sssh, sure the Irish media don't promote fear! 🙄

    Thankfully the general public seem to be waking up to the reality. It's little more than a cold for almost everyone who catches it now.

    I expect more attention to be given to minimum unit pricing this week when people realise the price of some of their alcohol has doubled.



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    You know as well as I do though that the "science" insofar as our Government and NPHET goes ranges between wild speculation based on suspect/selective modelling, and political expediency.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Indeed, it's going to be an interesting week ahead as Media outlets begin to wake up after Christmas hibernation😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    O, I do indeed, just find it extraordinary that absenteeism only being discussed now, UK have been struggling for weeks with this isdue. It could, I suppose be argued if so many have covid now and symptoms appear to be extremely mild why are isolation rules required or indeed when or will they ever end.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Absolutely maddening this almost yearly report and we're left to wonder why the actual health service in such a mess. How many mangers does it take to figure out more medical staff needed, more ICU beds required.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    The Indo are covering it as the top headline at the moment but the main thing to take from the article really is the ongoing mixed messaging from Government and NPHET/HSE representatives.

    One side says one thing but it's almost immediately contradicted by the other.. No wonder people are confused/ignoring whatever the message is SUPPOSED to be. This isn't helped by lazy journalists who just edit older articles with the latest "scoop" but leave the outdated details further down - small wonder people read very little beyond the headline or first few paragraphs.

    Micheal won't want to make a decision he can be held to. Tony has an anti-alcohol agenda to push so will be calling for more restrictions on socialising. The media are making a fortune either way so will cover every comment with a lot of opinion of their own, so by the time we get to the next cabinet meeting we'll have had every option from 2km lockdown to a free for all being suggested.

    In reality (as I said last year) ultimately it'll be the economic impact that makes the final decision. There will be a lot of advice muddied to make people think it's a requirement, but in the end people will be left to decide for themselves.



  • Registered Users Posts: 24,346 ✭✭✭✭lawred2




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  • Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Also maddening that journalists are using such tiny numbers to form a pretty shaky conclusion. Based on previous HSE efforts to recruit medical staff it's not at all easy and getting admin is as easy as buying the IT!



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Absolutely, just read that article, it's a mess quite frankly, I've argued for a long time about the appalling mixed messaging going on (actually I've been reprimanded for same, I'll say no more) but someone, anyone needs to get a grip and quickly

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    We must protect the management it would seem 😉


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    We don't have a health service. We have an employment scheme for middle managers and political hangers-on



  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Hard to see how anyone can argue with that given that Government themselves (however briefly) tried to gag NPHET's press commentary because of the mixed messaging and pressure it was putting on Cabinet decisions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Absolutely, its outrageous, when is someone going to say enough, this has been going on for years and not a single Health Minister or government questioning what is going on.

    I spent years in hospitality and a reminded of an old saying, too many cooks spoil the Broth.

    HSE senior management have essentially spent to years, spinning, deflecting and passing the buck, Slick press conferences and little if any serious questioning of them by journalists on this shambles.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    The Gag backfired very quickly WHEN Government realised they needed cover for any decisions made, they are only now too delighted for CMO to shake his stick and wag his finger whilst they hide in their Bunkers.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 28,839 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    That's because the journalists are all part of the game too. Instead of being an independent advocate for the truth behind the headlines, a lot of them want to graduate to being political advisors or staffers themselves.

    Can't do that by asking awkward questions too often.

    When you really stop to think about it, it's depressing how amateurish and corrupt/nepotistic the entire "establishment" is in this country.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Thank you. That worked!

    Absenteeism has been highlighted by many, including myself some weeks ago. And i also mentioned that they would have to come back on the isolation rules and change the parameters due to absenteeism. Ireland as usual will follow the big boys ie USA, UK, France etc.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Technology an amazing thing 😁 now if there was away to magically ignore other things 😂

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    All the while no-one asking the question why the number of ICU beds weren't doubled as suggested 10 years ago..



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Ssssshh, just in case Paul Reid checking in 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I know this doesn't apply in your case because it's just that you don't want to read the poster's posts, but a problem with the Ignore function is that it doesn't really work all that well because posters who are clearly on Ignore (the never replying to them should be a hint) insist on replying nevertheless. But it's better than nothing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 596 ✭✭✭deholleboom


    Good point. I only put people on the ignore list who get above a certain threshhold of irritability by persistant behaviour. Small, off target posts by others are ignored by default. I sometimes leave reactions to my posts unanswered because i dont see the point in doing so. I do when i feel the discussion might lead to something, like new insights but that is rarely the case. I also try to stop myself correcting other peoples' posts that have wrong information, unsuccesfully i might add to my detriment. It often turns personal..



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Exactly. And maybe if it were just a couple of isolated incidents you could say that it was a mistake, but it has happened over and over again, and continues to happen. The latest example is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez heading to free Florida to escape unfree New York: Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez filmed maskless at packed Florida bar (yahoo.com)


    And of course not wearing the mask she makes a point of wearing in front of the cameras.



  • Registered Users Posts: 26,977 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    Yes, my own list now almost full from other Threads, it's astonishing how personal posters get when they disagree with an opinion that differs from them. Greying out and ignoring individuals strangely gratifying, especially when you remind them they are so to speak 😉

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 76,131 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Back on topic everyone, which, in case anyone wondered, is to do with restrictions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,579 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Since this pandemic started this mantra has been put out and been repeated numerous times but it was never proven true. The mantra that only a full suppression strategy has any hope of protecting the more vulnerable. But this is as much an assumption as anything. The only thing it has going for itself is that appears less risky - so its being labelled 'safer' and being waved around like a virtue banner.

    But so far there is little proof of correlation between strategies and numbers and now we have Omicron. Me personally i believe there is still a lot we dont understand about the dynamics of all this but one thing the experts seem to agree on is that it cannot be stopped short of welding people into their homes.

    Looking at it that way there seems to be no more middle ground left. The choices left in the open are the 'extreme' ones. Full lockdown on one side or let it run on the other. With what we're seeing form Omicron lockdown would not only be massive overkill and total madness IMO but it will still get to the vulnerable and also there would simply be no longer the public support for it. We're all worn out.

    We're vaxxed, we're bolstered, we have what appears to be a much milder strain. We just have to cut our losses and move on. If not now I dont know when we ever will. Just my opinion of course.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,273 ✭✭✭bloopy


    This is about protecting the hse senior management and nothing more.

    Not from a health point of view but from the point of view of protecting the jobs and careers of those who have fucked the health service over the last 16 years of incompetent mismanagement.

    The leader of the country brought in this monster. The group advising the government is full of senior members of the monster and it's handlers in the department of health.

    But yeah, all this is the fault of the unvaccinated, the children, the brits, the students, the travellers, the race goers, and on and on.

    Little enemies for the simple folk to blame, so that no one blames them.



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