Cycle lane bollards on Baldoyle Road and soon from Sutton to Howth

Obvious or not the long term master plan is to get cars off the roads to be replaced by bikes & scooters, conventional or electric.

This type of thing is happening everywhere and can’t be stopped.

The 'need' for "cycle lanes" is beyond exaggerated. They will be empty of traffic most of the time.

It's an excuse to destroy the road system, and abolish driving over the longer term.

Extremely few people are able consistently to substitute a bicycle for a car. Result is that people will be trapped in their locality.

I think that if some cars owners gave cyclists enough room on road there would never even be need for lanes . They don’t . They then use them in park in to buy bag chips from chipper as too lazy to walk . Some also use roads as if they in f1 on Sunday morning with total disregard to others . So you lot who guilty of the above you made this issue .

Because they lazy and unfit that’s why .

You're dreaming.

If you suddenly realise you need to go from Howth to Belfast will you jump on a bicycle?

Cars and bicycles are not equivalent, and never can be. That is obvious.

That street view is outside the primary school, I'd imagine at collection time. There isn't many places to park for parents unless you swing into offington and walk back.

Not my problem just giving an explanation.

I think the bollards on the baldoyle road heading towards portmarnock work well. While the road certainly feels narrower it does prevent cyclists cycling two abreast. The road is always fairly busy and can be difficult to overtake safely leaving enough space.....now everyone has their own lane, so no longer an issue.

Right so short limited journeys (between 2-15km) like I said.

What about those times when people travel more than 15km?

What I'm saying isn't really controversial so I'm surprised it's got anyone's back up.

Bicycles can never be equivalent to cars, because they can't substitute for anything but short limited journeys undertaken by fit people (of which elderly, very young children, the disabled won't be capable).

Also can you transport a trunk full of items on your bicycle?

Well technically you are dodging your own point since you brought it up.

Do you think all journeys are long, unlimited (whatever that means) and undertaken by people who are unfit and not in their prime.

That implies people in their prime never take journeys, and no one takes short journeys.

Its not that controversial, or that its got any got anyone back up, its that its missing the point.

The point is most people use the car even on extremely short journeys. Its not the length of journey thats causing them to take the car.

No one trying to make bicycle the same as cars. That's a false equivalence. The thing about cycling that its actually easier then walking. That's the whole point of it. people of all abilities can cycle. Not everyone can drive.

Do people only drive when they need to move a trunk full of stuff or something? What's your point.

Most cyclists have both a car and a bike. You seem to think people have either a car or a bike.

Bike lanes will encourage people to leave the car at home for the short journeys. And they will still have the car for those sudden unexpected long trips.

And plastic bollards have made things worse, the crazy gang will probably have us near 1st if they keep on with these plastic bollards. Also these plastic bollards use a huge amount of oil in their creation, does ciaran cuffe from the crazy gang still have his €1.6m in oil shares?

Howth is a beautiful spot however a huge amount of what could be a fantastic space is given over to car parking. The seafront is a bloody joke.

I cycle to Howth regularly from D8, at one stage 3 times a week given it was 50k on the nose. It was never too bad and the close passes were generally only at that bloody church or on the quays

But if the cycle lanes was always there so there should have been no slipping so all the bollards have done is stopped you doing something you shouldn't so boo hoo.

Lets not forget the reason that road has bollards is the illegal parking at the weekends particularly on match days.

So illegal parking has caused your supposed backlog not bollards.

You are also talking crap about the lack of a backlog on that notorious road before any bollards.

Dooradoyle gym is also before the CS coming from the motorway and the only way to slip past is to drive completely over the cycle lane and dangerously close to cars while also most likely being on the path too